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Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-21-2024, 06:35 AM
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Posted By bearbear
Re: Revelation 2:26,27

I've heard an analogy like this to describe what being a worker of lawlessness means:

1. True Christian who struggles with sin ➡️ falling in dirt and getting back up

Proverbs 24:16:
"For...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-20-2024, 01:38 PM
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Posted By bearbear
Re: Revelation 2:26,27

After coming out of the LCs and meeting with other believers it was a shock to me that many did not view salvation the same way as Watchman Nee did and how we were taught in the LCs. I used to think...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-02-2024, 07:57 AM
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Posted By bearbear
Re: Paradise was taken to heaven

I would agree with you that they are not the same place, much like how the state of Ohio and the United States are not identical; however, one exists within the other.



Paul was caught "up" to...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 12-01-2024, 10:06 PM
Replies: 20
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Posted By bearbear
Re: Should I Quit Reading LSM Publications?

Here's a counter point to this doctrine from Jane Anderson: https://lemonstograpes.com/forums/topic/witness-lee-actually-condemned-himself-as-a-heretic/



Romans 8:11 describes a Spirit that...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-01-2024, 08:14 PM
Replies: 20
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Posted By bearbear
Re: A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Churc

But would a loving Dad ever cut his son into two pieces to discipline him like the master did to the wicked servant in Matthew 24:51? "And will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-01-2024, 07:38 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,434
Posted By bearbear
Re: A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Churc

I assumed the millennial exclusion position would classify the prodigal son the same as the unprofitable 1 talent servant who was thrown into outer darkness since neither had produced any works but...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 11-26-2024, 09:32 PM
Replies: 5
Views: 1,331
Posted By bearbear
Re: localchurchdiscussions.com is not appearing in Google results

This is regarding the website showing up in Google search results. The site currently does not allow Google to index via the robots.txt file being served here:...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 11-25-2024, 06:59 PM
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Posted By bearbear
Re: localchurchdiscussions.com is not appearing in Google results

I found the reason is because the robots.txt file prevents Googlebot so this seems intentional:

https://localchurchdiscussions.com/robots.txt

Is this to save on server cost? Did you know you...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-25-2024, 07:19 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,434
Posted By bearbear
Re: A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Churc

To the contrary, millennial exclusion actually turns God into a monster who disciplines his children by locking them in a dark closet where there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth", the same judgment...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-25-2024, 07:11 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,434
Posted By bearbear
Re: A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Churc

The ones passing through fires of 1 Cor 3:15 are able to escape the flames but there is no indication that the branches of John 15 or the trees of Matthew 7 escape the flames.

John the Baptist...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-25-2024, 07:03 AM
Replies: 20
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Posted By bearbear
Re: A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Churc

It was spoken to whoever was present to hear Jesus which perhaps even includes Judas who Jesus said was not clean.



Someone who truly believes and belongs to the family of God will remain in...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-25-2024, 06:46 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 1,501
Posted By bearbear
Re: Paradise was taken to heaven

What is being resurrected is the physical body and not the soul/spirit which returns to God.



Here Paul notes that it is our body that is being transformed and not our soul/spirit.



When...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 11-24-2024, 08:05 PM
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Views: 1,331
Posted By bearbear
localchurchdiscussions.com is not appearing in Google results

Even when you search for localchurchdiscussions.com on Google, the site does not appear in the results. What's going on?

https://www.google.com/search?q=localchurchdiscussions.com

Perhaps the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-24-2024, 07:21 PM
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Views: 1,501
Posted By bearbear
Paradise was taken to heaven

In his book "The Way for a Christian to Mature in Life", Witness Lee taught that Paradise is still in Hades and saints who die do not go to heaven but instead go to the Paradise of Hades where...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-24-2024, 06:58 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,434
Posted By bearbear
Re: A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Churc

Since this post centers on George Zeller's refutation of free grace and we are discussing Matthew 7:21-23. I think his paper titled "Is It Wrong to Question A Person’s Profession of Faith?" to be...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-24-2024, 06:54 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,434
Posted By bearbear
Re: A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Churc

There is no reason to interpret it this way based on the text. The Greek word "ginōskō" (γινώσκω), used in Matthew 7:23 where Jesus says, "I never knew you," does not refer to an omniscient knowledge...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-24-2024, 01:03 AM
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Views: 1,434
Posted By bearbear
Re: A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Churc

The thief on the cross is indeed an interesting case study of a saved person. The key to his salvation I believe is as you wrote "but later one had a change of heart". This is consistent with the...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 11-21-2024, 06:31 PM
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Views: 2,951
Posted By bearbear
Re: InconvenientRuth

If the reports by Lily Hsu about Watchman Nee are true, it raises an interesting question: did Witness Lee inherit this "curse" by insisting on carrying Nee’s mantle? If so, it seems plausible that...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-21-2024, 06:09 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,434
Posted By bearbear
Re: A refutation of millennial exclusion theology by Middletown Bible Churc

I've been enjoying a song that I think captures the nuance in the position described in these posts.

Salvation is a free gift but it also results in transformation.



Yet only the blood of...
Forum: Ex Church Kids (of Local Church) 11-19-2024, 12:53 PM
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Views: 1,924
Posted By bearbear
Re: Youtube Video - Witness Lee the false apostle: Scripture and History sp

Jesus talked about sheep, goats and wolves. Goats do their own thing and don't bother anyone but wolves need to be pointed out because they are a danger to the sheep. By the way, goats and wolves do...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 11-19-2024, 09:07 AM
Replies: 28
Views: 2,951
Posted By bearbear
Re: InconvenientRuth

According to early church writings, the Nicolaitans were heretics because they taught that God's grace allowed for sexual immorality. Here's a quote from Iranaeus who was a second degree disciple of...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-19-2024, 08:26 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,434
Posted By bearbear
Re: A refutation of millennial exclusion theology by Middletown Bible Churc

George Zeller also shared with me a thought provoking article from Pastor Kelly Sensenig that pushes back on both Free Grace and Lordship Salvation:

"Is the Free Grace position really free?" by...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-19-2024, 07:32 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,434
Posted By bearbear
Re: A refutation of millennial exclusion theology by Middletown Bible Churc

I am going through the articles by George Zeller now and found this one on apostasy to be thought provoking:

https://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/freegrace/departff.pdf

He pushes back on both...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-17-2024, 04:19 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,434
Posted By bearbear
Re: A refutation of millennial exclusion theology by Middletown Bible Churc

One interesting article that is linked in the resource above is a refutation of kingdom exclusion by a Plymouth Brethren scholar William Kelley which includes a mention of Witness Lee by the poster...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-17-2024, 04:08 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,434
Posted By bearbear
A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Church

I found a series of articles by Middletown Bible Church which critically examine the teachings of Zane Hodges, Joseph Dillow, and Robert Wilkin, who advocate a soteriology that divides Christians...
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