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Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 06-05-2025, 12:03 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 6,861
Posted By TLFisher
Re: POLL: What is the Greatest Error of WL & LC?

Generalizing here.
LC congregations tend to equivocate themselves as the Body of Christ
Non-LC congregations tend to equivocate themselves as part of the Body of Christ.
Notice the difference?
Forum: Regional Concerns 06-03-2025, 09:17 PM
Replies: 16
Views: 10,453
Posted By TLFisher
Re: YET AGAIN - Local Church "Leading Brothers" Caught In Sexual Sin/Abuse.

Thank you for your efforts UntoHim.
I will share I am married to a Filipina and we have a home in the Northern Philippines.
It is an offense to expect to demonstrate one's knowledge English....
Forum: Ex Church Kids (of Local Church) 06-03-2025, 04:27 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 1,585
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Can Local Church Kids Say No?

Depending which age church kids are, they cannot say no. Their parents will make them attend. They must go to the meetings. I've seen teens who wanted to be there and teens that did not want to be...
Forum: Regional Concerns 06-01-2025, 11:59 AM
Replies: 16
Views: 10,453
Posted By TLFisher
Southern Philippines

A report received though outdated from September 6, 2019 regarding the Southern Philippines. Please see the pdf attachment.

Has anyone heard what happened there?
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 05-31-2025, 01:53 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 6,861
Posted By TLFisher
Re: POLL: What is the Greatest Error of WL & LC?

UntoHim, I believe society has misused and misapplied the word misogyny. How many people bothered to look up the definition? It's as if misogyny became some sort of utility or catch phrase against a...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 05-30-2025, 11:59 AM
Replies: 2
Views: 756
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Public Claims vs. Private Recruitment: The Lord's Recovery Campus Work

That should tell you everything you need to know. How closed to fellowship SW is.
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-24-2025, 04:51 PM
Replies: 2
Views: 436
Posted By TLFisher
Sociological Analysis of R.K.'s Religious Testimony

There's too much to address in in one post.
I will start with Sociological Analysis of R.K.'s Religious Testimony.


Dualistic Worldview - Local churches tends to express/frame talking points...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 05-24-2025, 11:40 AM
Replies: 11
Views: 3,274
Posted By TLFisher
Re: 2 Months Out Of The Local Church And Feeling Guilty

I can relate. It is from meeting with a Baptist congregation in 2008, I realized just as the Baptists are a denomination, so are the local churches.
The view among the Baptist congregation is...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 05-23-2025, 12:58 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 1,915
Posted By TLFisher
Re: To Keep or not to Keep (Teachings)

Sons to Glory, I liked that book too. True, the thoughts expressed in the book no longer embodies LC practices.
The word "vision" in the local churches seems to have different meanings depending on...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 05-23-2025, 12:48 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 573
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Free Bibles? Or Wolf In Sheep's Clothing?

True, it's not us versus them. Though we know it gets treated as such.
My time spent in the local churches, I cherish my childhood far more than the adult years. By then the curtain has been pulled...
Forum: Suggestions and Feedback 05-13-2025, 01:49 PM
Replies: 22
Views: 4,883
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Does anyone still care?

I am along the same lines as Trapped. Brothers like Nigel Tomes are unique. Who has the time.
To answer the question, "does anyone still care?", I don't know the number, but many still care. We've...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 05-07-2025, 07:46 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 1,915
Posted By TLFisher
Re: To Keep or not to Keep (Teachings)

Only LSM publication I have left is The Fermentation of the Present Rebellion. Is this book of lies and half-truths even available anymore?
When I think of aging ones who likely purchased...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 05-07-2025, 05:00 PM
Replies: 3
Views: 2,111
Posted By TLFisher
Re: 45 California Churches - Open Letter (with signatures)

P.S., this occurred during a period I was not meeting with the local churches (late 1986 to mid 1993). I cannot tell you how disgusted I was by this letter. Not to mention brothers I knew personally...
Forum: Regional Concerns 10-05-2024, 11:14 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 1,873
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Million Dollar Answer from Washington DC

This seems contrary to the book by Phillip Lin(?) Sacrifice and Sail On: My View of Witness Lee A Bondslave of Jesus Christ. For the most part Witness Lee's children and grandchildren did not inherit...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 09-11-2024, 11:42 AM
Replies: 83
Views: 15,349
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Myth Busters LCD Style Program 1

PriestlyScribe, when you consider in the context of Local Church history, this is really quite maddening. After all ten years earlier WP was an eyewitness to another Phillip Lee incident. Appears the...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 09-06-2024, 07:14 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 9,785
Posted By TLFisher
Re: The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse, Johnson & VanVonderen

You mentioned Papillion. Never saw the movie. Your description of Dustin Hoffman's character, I have known more than just a few like this. I think in part they fully took in the ground of locality...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 09-01-2024, 08:05 AM
Replies: 24
Views: 9,785
Posted By TLFisher
Re: The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse, Johnson & VanVonderen

I'm sure most elders are fathers to their sons and daughters?
I'm sure these LC elders were not so irresponsible as fathers they did not lose sense of right and wrong in teaching their own children?...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 08-13-2024, 12:23 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 9,785
Posted By TLFisher
Re: The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse, Johnson & VanVonderen

The Sherman I knew, the was no in-between. Sherman was an absolute brother. He never doubted "the brothers" nor Witness Lee.

"Brother Lee was never wrong about anything that happened regarding...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-10-2024, 03:00 PM
Replies: 95
Views: 57,201
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

There have been brothers regretting signing the 1986 Pledge of Allegiance to Witness Lee. How many brothers regret signing the quarantine of John Ingalls, Bill Mallon, John So, and Joseph Fung?...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-06-2024, 05:20 PM
Replies: 95
Views: 57,201
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

There is a big difference from 1990-2016 and from 2016-present. After Fermentation of the Present Rebellion was published in 1990 until 2016 you could not find a writing or a speaking condemning John...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 08-06-2024, 05:06 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 2,238
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Is The Local Church Movement Dying?

Thanks for redirecting me Nell. Quoting you from 2022:

"In a nutshell,
Max went to Lee regarding the behavior of his son Phillip. (You know that story)
Rather than deal with Max directly, Lee...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 08-05-2024, 08:35 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 2,238
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Is The Local Church Movement Dying?

Who else? Don Hardy and Christian Chen come to mind.
What is the real story with the “sisters rebellion”? It seems Sandi was dealt with publicly in Max's absence?
There is a point to my question....
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 08-02-2024, 07:43 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 1,557
Posted By TLFisher
Re: After I Left The Local Recovered Church

There's more to be said,
1. On the point "They say that Jews are God's people" - I agree.
2. On the point "we have to unconditionally support the modern day State of Israel" - I disagree. Something...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-02-2024, 05:23 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 10,916
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Church In Hong Kong

P.S. this project has been invaluable. The Hong Kong declaration places what transpired in a different perspective. Until the declaration, I don't think many were aware in detail what had happened....
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-31-2024, 05:34 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 10,916
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Church In Hong Kong

P.S. when I go to johningalls.com, I noticed on the publisher page:
1st edition August 1990 - 2000 copies
2nd edition October 1990 - 2000 copies
3rd (electronic) edition, web version June 2020
To...
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