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Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread Yesterday, 09:06 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Origins of Christian God- Through Cultural, Historical, Anthropology le

I'm not sure what you mean by saying the writers of the Bible were few and far between. They may have been more sophisticated than you give them credit for.

To say that a father in ancient...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread Yesterday, 08:50 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Origins of Christian God- Through Cultural, Historical, Anthropology le

That's how the Ascension appears from a modern materialistic perspective. Of course it appears absurd from that point of view. The Bible was written from a spiritual perspective. it makes more sense...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread Yesterday, 10:47 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Origins of Christian God- Through Cultural, Historical, Anthropology le

Do you suppose that the scriptures literally mean that God is male? Have you considered the possibility that the writers of the Bible understood and were using analogic theological language?
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread Yesterday, 10:20 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Origins of Christian God- Through Cultural, Historical, Anthropology le

The biblical cosmology is not the same is it the modern scientific one. Conflating the biblical cosmology with the modern scientific one has resulted in much confusion.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread Yesterday, 09:58 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Origins of Christian God- Through Cultural, Historical, Anthropology le

Your cousin and his daughter are thinking of the story of the Ascension in terms of the modern scientific cosmology whereas the story was written in the context of a traditional cosmology....
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 11-28-2020, 01:32 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Things Learned from LGBTQ+ Discussions

Right. We shouldn't let that interfere with possible rapprochement among the brethren (sisters included). The presence of Jesus being a symbol of possible unity in the truth here.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 11-28-2020, 11:28 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Things Learned from LGBTQ+ Discussions

I suppose we shouldn't let the likelihood that this saying is misattributed to Lao Tsu stand in the way of potential dialogic rapprochement.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 11-26-2020, 02:46 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and everyone else here!
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 11-26-2020, 08:45 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Origins of Christian God- Through Cultural, Historical, Anthropology le

It seems to me that your idea about following your God-given conscience in a direction of inclusion compassion and love, is a higher vision of Christianity than the ones that push people toward...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 11-26-2020, 08:10 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Origins of Christian God- Through Cultural, Historical, Anthropology le

Viewing Bible heroes as examples is fine as far as it goes. But it strips them out of the biblical cosmology, the narrative context in which they act. Their heroism may or may not make any sense in a...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 11-25-2020, 10:02 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Origins of Christian God- Through Cultural, Historical, Anthropology le

The Bible makes people Bible-crazy. You know that. Or at least a guy I know has been telling me that for years like a broken record.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 11-25-2020, 07:14 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Origins of Christian God- Through Cultural, Historical, Anthropology le

Another reason why if you look at it only as a literal historical document and makes no sense. So where are you going to go for your morality and ethics?
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 11-25-2020, 05:32 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Origins of Christian God- Through Cultural, Historical, Anthropology le

Bible stories that are merely literal and historical and occurred 2,000 years ago or more have nothing to do with us. So what do we need them for?
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 11-25-2020, 01:36 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Origins of Christian God- Through Cultural, Historical, Anthropology le

Fundmentalist-leaning Evangelicals lack a symbolic understanding of the scriptures. They conflate a symbolic cosmology with a modern science based one. Witness Lee largely worked out of a symbolic...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 11-21-2020, 11:15 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Origins of Christian God- Through Cultural, Historical, Anthropology le

How about this? The spiritual perspective of Christianity is based on a traditional cosmology that answers different questions than the materialistic modern one which asks how does it work? What is...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-25-2020, 11:23 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Politics and the Church

Got to hand it to you Ohio you know your Bible! Where does Jesus say that abortion is murder?
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-25-2020, 09:35 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Politics and the Church

Abortion: the only word that can make followers of Jesus vote against everything Jesus ever talked about because of one issue that Jesus never talked about.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-25-2020, 08:57 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

That's right. Humperdinck's argument is an ad hominem fallacy dismissing Oestreicher's argument based nothing more than questionable inferences Humperdinck makes about Oestreicher from a single...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-24-2020, 05:12 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

The writer of the Guardian article, "Was Jesus gay? Probably", Paul Oestreicher, is an Anglican priest.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-24-2020, 09:57 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

I didn't question Jesus' virtue or character. I asserted that the Bible makes no explicit statement about his marital status or sexuality thus leaving the matter open for speculation.

You...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-23-2020, 12:04 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

Hi Ohio. I see you are as opposed as ever to new thinking. Once again you resort to personal attack, judgment and condemnation.

By the way I wonder what happened to our buddy ZNP. We had a...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-23-2020, 09:26 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

My point is that I don't know, and I don't think you or anyone else does either, because I don't think the New Testament makes a factual statement about it one way or the other. That strikes me as...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-23-2020, 08:35 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

Thank you for the welcome, Trapped. Since the New Testament says nothing about Jesus' sexuality, he may have been a celibate homosexual which would not be a violation of Torah law. The same may be...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-21-2020, 02:34 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

I'm curious. How do we know that Jesus was heterosexual? The New Testament doesn't say anything explicitly about his sexuality one way or the other. It doesn't even say if he was married or not. So...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-15-2020, 08:34 PM
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