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Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-18-2011, 12:15 PM
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: FTT a Mixture

Yes, and at "acceptable quantities", can you still smell them when you're done eating? :eek:
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-18-2011, 09:35 AM
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: FTT a Mixture

Some of the more interesting fruit of the tree of life, as captured on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CdB8y3GHvs
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-18-2011, 09:08 AM
Replies: 102
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: FTT a Mixture

This would seem to confirm my understanding that ministering the local church culture and the Recovery program is basically the same damn thing as "ministering Christ".

P.S. Does this guy's elder...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-17-2011, 02:17 PM
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: The Divine Romance

Was this still the situation in Taipei when you left in '96?
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-17-2011, 02:15 PM
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: YP training

You're talking about within the microcosm of the training itself. What I'm talking about is the Recovery at large, the function of the training in the Recovery culture. Not necessarily the trainees,...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-17-2011, 02:02 PM
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: YP training

Not really sure what point you're trying to make. If you want to remind us that you're different, I think we've already realized that by now. :D

In any event, thanks for noting the difference in...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-17-2011, 11:13 AM
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: YP training

((Having not attended, but knowing many people who did)) -- Personally, I believe the main purpose of the FTTA is the promotion of a particular kind of "Lord's Recovery culture" among the young...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-17-2011, 11:01 AM
Replies: 102
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: YP training

No, I'm not referring to the messy kitchen reference, I'm referring to the whole of your post. The whole idea that "It is from what source it is done no matter which way it is done". And I'm...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-17-2011, 09:35 AM
Replies: 102
Views: 84,831
Posted By rayliotta
Re: YP training

You aren't still clinging to a teaching of Lee, are you, Mike? :D
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-17-2011, 09:30 AM
Replies: 102
Views: 84,831
Posted By rayliotta
Re: YP training

Steve, if you know something about this, wouldn't it be appropriate to share it with us?
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-16-2011, 03:02 AM
Replies: 102
Views: 84,831
Posted By rayliotta
Re: The Divine Romance

Steve, who wrote this article? I notice it sounds like it might have been written by Witness Lee, yet the author is not credited?
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-14-2011, 11:13 PM
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Posted By rayliotta
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-14-2011, 10:40 PM
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion

I guess you think we just shouldn't be discussing the things from the 80's? Or else you're referring to something else, that I'm totally missing here?...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-14-2011, 10:37 PM
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Posted By rayliotta
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-14-2011, 07:10 PM
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion

manna-man,
You're on to something? Really? Please share with us!
Sincerely,rl


P.S. Thanks for not judging us! :confused:
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-13-2011, 09:03 AM
Replies: 102
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion

Thinking of TFOTPR as "ministry" is almost kind of funny.

Just follow the link, I think Witness Lee's attitude toward "the ministry of the age" is all too clear...George Harrison wrote a song...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-13-2011, 06:37 AM
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion

Z, if you haven't already, you might read the rest of the section, on p. 11 of the link to Steve Isitt's site.

Witness Lee seems awfully comfortable making repeated references to "me" and "my...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-12-2011, 08:56 PM
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion

Ohio is being generous. Here is Witness Lee quoting John Ingalls (!), courtesy of Steve Isitt:John Ingalls gave the highest endorsement imaginable of Brother Lee’s ministry, which is recorded in...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-11-2011, 05:57 AM
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion

Sorry to post again, but this whole thing really boils down to this --

http://dancingczars.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/hear-see-speak-no-evil1.jpg?w=400&h=300
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-11-2011, 02:22 AM
Replies: 102
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Posted By rayliotta
Re: The Cases of Noah and Ham; David and Saul

I had the impression that "laying hands on hastily" referred to, shall we say, being too quick to get someone in trouble? Sort of the opposite of "reinstating" someone.




Yes, there are...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-11-2011, 02:09 AM
Replies: 102
Views: 84,831
Posted By rayliotta
Re: The Cases of Noah and Ham; David and Saul

This is either how the Scottish say his name, or how I say it after a couple too many shots o' whiskey...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-10-2011, 03:19 PM
Replies: 102
Views: 84,831
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion

Much more spiritual to just stare at each other...
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