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Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 04-17-2013, 06:48 PM
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Posted By Terry
Colossians 3:12-14

I realize some may see this thread and maybe read a few posts and think why bring this up? This is ancient history. Sad to say, it is not ancient history. Some saints have forgiven and asked for...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 04-15-2013, 06:50 PM
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Posted By Terry
October 9 1988

Reading 5 letters included in The Fermentation of the Present Rebellion, they were all based on a meeting at the Church in Anaheim held October 9, 1988 and subsequently audio tapes began to be...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 01-22-2013, 09:08 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

History as shown while brothers are part of the work, their words and their actions are driven by peer pressure. Once no longer part of the work, due to being touched in their conscience, they are...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 01-22-2013, 09:01 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Dalliance with the Devil

I have read your one concise one page pdf document. To say "no one is perfect" as Andrew Yu did, that's the difference between Kings Saul and David.
Saul was one who would use the cop-out "no one is...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 01-22-2013, 07:29 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

How much is peer pressure and how much is conviction?
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 01-22-2013, 12:57 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

Since the 1990's I have struggled with the thought responsible brothers had not been bothered in their spirit, had no conviction how things were handled, and that Phillip Lee had no role whatsoever...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 01-21-2013, 08:47 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

When as a single brother living in a brother's house, the eldest in the brother's house taking the lead had a saying "I have spoken it". In his joking fashion he was giving the papal decree meaning...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 01-21-2013, 08:28 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

Thanks to Indiana, following are several excerpts from The Mysteries in God's Economy as it pertains to The Fermentation of the Present Rebellion.

"During this period I was silent for another...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 04-25-2012, 09:20 PM
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Posted By Terry
Beating a Dead Horse

I know I am beating a dead horse, but in Fermentation of the Present Rebellion, I could not recall how many times "conspiracy" was used or ifferences to a conspiracy.
This past week I had been...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-22-2011, 11:57 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Dalliance with the Devil

Amen. I was listening to a brother whose message I downloaded off semonindex.net. He touched what you've said, we won't express on earth the oneness that exists between Father-Son-Spirit until we...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-22-2011, 10:08 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Dalliance with the Devil

I've never considered that as a possibility. As a father, Witness Lee loved his sons. He wanted his sons to be successful. At LSM, not only was Phillip Lee succussful, LSM was a success. As Indiana...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-22-2011, 09:53 PM
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Posted By Terry
Toleration of Immorality?

Above are quotes by Witness Lee and the nine disassociating churches regarding allegations of knowledge, toleration, and cover-up by LSM co-workers over Phillip Lee's misconduct.


Here is a quote...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-22-2011, 09:33 PM
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Posted By Terry
Friction with The Office (Phillip Lee) Part C

From 1986-1988 John So had sought to comply 100% with the LSM ministry office (Phillip Lee), but was frustrated by Phillip Lee's non-responsiveness and lack of co-operation. It all came to a head in...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-21-2011, 09:26 PM
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Posted By Terry
Friction with The Office (Phillip Lee) Part B

Witness Lee may not have heard or neglected this next part for whatever reason. John So speaks about it when he gave his testimony in Manila March, 1990.

Our saints were in the training in Taipei....
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-21-2011, 08:37 PM
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Posted By Terry
Friction with The Office (Phillip Lee) Part A

In the summer of 1986 there was some friction between John So and the ministry office. The friction gradually worsened, and it reached its height at the end of 1986. Prior to this I was not aware of...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-21-2011, 01:10 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

I had previously posted an excerpt of an email from 9/19/2003 where the LSM co-worker said:

"As to the issues you have raised related to the events of the distant past, the brothers here just do...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-21-2011, 12:29 PM
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Posted By Terry
A Response to Joseph Fung

Well Ohio, if you equate defamation to bearing false witness, Witness Lee claimed the same thing when Joeseph Fung said, "Those around Brother Lee are but busybodies and cheerers. Everything they do...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-20-2011, 11:02 PM
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Posted By Terry
Witness Lee on John So and John So's Reponse

"John So first became critical during his visit to Taipei in October 1986, only one and a half months after the start of the first term of the full-time training. In that visit John stayed in Taipei...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-20-2011, 06:20 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

I had passed on to zeek an email address I had.
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-20-2011, 12:36 PM
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Posted By Terry
Conspiracy

Amen to your last paragraph Thankful Jane. I must express exasperation over your first paragraph. Bring up false witness was borne against these brothers to an elder or elders, the response you'll...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-19-2011, 10:20 AM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

With Bill Mallon's letter to Witness Lee and with the Church in Rosemead's letter Francis Ball, the core of those letters were withheld. Through withholding of the core points; Bill's numerated...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-18-2011, 07:42 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

Thankful Jane, simple unbelievable and I'll tell you why. In an email correspondence between a brother and a LSM co-worker, the co-worker's response to the brother was, " As to the issues you have...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-18-2011, 07:29 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

OBW, I was not planning to speak this word so soon. My reference to "truth and reality" stems from Watchman Nee's word What Lies Are. Keep in mind this is not just Watchman Nee's ministry speaking...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-18-2011, 12:33 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

I realize there may be ones reading these thread who may be offended of my inclusion of these letters by Bill Mallon and by the Church in Rosemead's Board of Directors. Point is when Witness Lee...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-17-2011, 05:23 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Rosemead

This much is true as Witness Lee says. Although the letter was dated as May 7 and not May 8. Once again there was much content included in the letter to Francis Ball, including reasons why Francis...
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