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Originally Posted by Nell
Simple answer? God did it. God "torpedoed" Witness Lee's "vital groups". Perhaps WL's bright ideas weren't vital to God.
You always have to be sure your premise is correct. In this case, that these "groups" are 1) of God; 2) genuine; and 3) vital.
If the answer is yes, then it can't be "torpedoed." If it gets "torpedoed" then your premise is wrong, i.e., it's man-made or Lee-made.
Just a thought---
Nell
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Nell, sorry but I don't buy your logic. If that were true then the early church vitality which sprang directly from the hand of God would not have diminished. It's a fallen world and people like you and me have completely free will to chose whether or not to obey God.
Here is something I just posted on the
other forum's version of this same thread:
Quote from: MikeH 
...I think the chairs, especially toward the back, are full of the "checked-out."
MikeH - In the 3min segment of a 2006 Conference message below, Ron Kangas sheds light on why there are so many "checked out" ones sitting in the back of LSM/LC meetings. He also explains what might be behind the bizzare behaviors we have observed in many who prefer the front row?
Ron Kangas warns about reviling others - 12-17-06 [mp3 - 2.5Meg]
Couple of things that stood out to me in that portion:
(1) Ron Kangas has a consistent habit of running away from whatever he considers to be a transmitter of death. I can't help but wonder who Ron's favorite Bible hero might be. Could it be Jonah?
(2) In Ron's mind it's somehow less important that we speak well of and be in fellowship with church "members" than it is for us to speak well of and be in fellowship with church "leaders". Where is that in the Bible? But then Ron gets deeper into trouble by warning us of something which he himself has become very guilty of doing - That it's dangerous for anyone to speak evil of another member of the Body of Christ (again, especially a leader) and then simply go on "enjoying" the Lord?
(3) Ron tells a Whopper regarding the standing and practice of LSM/LC leadership: "We will simply not accept, we will not condone any factor of division." His story (about the husband who told his wife to go to hell) reveals how LSM/LC leaders' typically have a track record of doing just the opposite - they often tolerate horrendous levels of disharmony and division in the saints homes as long as those members will still attend and support Local Church meetings. Ron in essence is saying "those in division at home may attend LC meetings as long they arrive late, sit on the back row, have their head down, and be silent". This
"ascetic" brand of false teaching not only flies in the face of our Lord Jesus' word in
Matt 5:24 to "go home first, be reconciled, then bring your offering", but this speaking also contradicts Witness Lee's very clear instruction in the Vital Groups messages [see beginning of this thread],
Life Study of Chronicles & the
Life Study of Phillipians.
Based upon the fact he was caught reviling Steve Isitt [
publicly labeled Steve a man of death ], and
continues to avoid dealing with that sin, I am thinking Ron Kangas should at least follow his own faulty advice: Which is, come to meetings late, sit on the back row, have your head down, and remain silent.
Although it's considerably "leavened", this "lite" version of humility he's prescribing for
LC brothers who curse their wives might be a tiny step in the right direction for brother Ron - if he could embrace it.
P.S.