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Originally Posted by Indy
The FTT is a mixture but a chief point is that it has produced Christ in many of the trainees and in the church life. RK is a mixture but has produced Christ; WL was a mixture but produced Christ; the LC is a mixture but has something of Christ; I am a mixture but there is something of Christ in me. And, there is also something of Christ in each of us on the forum.
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The lotus grows out of waste. And Christ is being produced around the world, in mostly fallen Christ-grabbing centers. So I guess it's to be expected from Lee's Christ-grabbing center too.
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Therefore, categoric condemnations of Nee, Lee, the LC, RK, the FTT, etc. are without weight.
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Needs no weight. I don't and can't save the local churches, and if I could it would turn out wrong, cuz it would be something other than Christ centered.
The critical difference between you and I, Indy, is that you believe Lee's Living Stream Ministry church can be fixed, and I don't. I think it's already going, and has been going, the same way as Luther, Calvin, Methodists, Brethren, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Adventists, et al.
They are just another ordinary Christian sect, with their own peculiar bent. And will continue to be further demarcated & denominational as time goes on ; just another weird Christian group we have to tolerate ... like JWs knocking on your door.
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Originally Posted by Indy
Was the full-time training a mistake? ....
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Originally Posted by From Deviating from the Path in the Lord’s Recovery
"Whenever a special leader, or a specific doctrine, or some experience, or creed, or organization, becomes a center for drawing together the believers of different places, then because the center of such a church federation is other than Christ, it follows that its sphere will be other than local. And, whenever the divinely-appointed sphere of locality is displaced by a sphere of human invention, there the divine approval cannot rest. The believers within such a sphere may truly love the Lord, but they have another center apart from Him, and it is only natural that the second center becomes the controlling one.
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So in short, the FTTTs are indeed a propaganda center because they are a center other than Christ.
Thanks Steve....