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Old 11-21-2011, 11:54 AM   #17
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Default Re: Can you dismiss WL's ministry because of his sins?

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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah View Post
James 4:11-12

4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

What is the boundary:

1. We are commanded not to speak evil of a brother.
2. We are commanded to be doers of the law, and according to James when you are judging your brother you are not a doer of the law but a judge.
3. Who art thou that judgest another? The NT never appointed us as a judge over our brothers. Jesus is the judge of both the living and the dead.
4. Paul says that we can judge “the things of this world” and that the saints “will judge the world” and that we “will judge angels”. Never once were we appointed as judges over other believers. We can judge sin, we can judge righteousness, and we can rightly divide the truth. But the boundary is that we are not here to judge one another.
Ohio has already said it fairly well. There is more than one declaration in scripture concerning judgment, even of brothers. And others require that we do judge each other. To declare this one as if it is the only one that applies is most disingenuous.

As for being judges of other believers, what exactly were they doing in 1 Corinthians concerning the one living in open immorality if not judging? You have chosen only those passages that restrict judgment. If you think you have exhausted the topic with those few mentions, then you should redo your research. If you know better, then . . . well . . . you know better and should speak as if you do.

Do you suppose that all those Judaisers that Paul kept fighting were simply unregenerated Jews mucking-up the works? No. They were mostly brothers with a claim (real or imagined) of representing the HQ in Jerusalem. He judged them harshly. Even mentioning some by name, and noting that some were serving their bellies. These were not outsiders. They were standing as authorities for God in the midst of the church (by their own claim).

And if Lee's teachings are worthy of note, then they will be found elsewhere. There are no special teachings and benefits/blessings reserved for those who follow certain teachers. The very assertion that there are is itself a falsehood and evidence of a wrongful claim of spiritual authority.
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