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This is an interesting discussion. Too bad UntoHim is threatening to delete it. He already has deleted at least one of my posts. Rather than reply to me when he disagreed, he chose to censor me. He did that even though I was following the mission statement rules. That is an unprincipled way of handling a dispute among anyone let alone a brother in Christ. It is difficult to have a meaningful discussion with all the moderator editing going on. Apart from that I am enjoying the lively intelligent discussion. I hope that we can continue. And no UntoHim there are not a bunch of other websites where you can have a meaningful discussion with ex-local churchers. This is the best place I know of to do that.