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Originally Posted by SpeakersCorner
Matt,
I guess my biggest objection to your judgment of the LC is the level of accusation you take. I am sure every person and group has some hidden idols in the saddlebags (as did Rachel) that at some point in the journey become exposed and must be discarded. If that were all you were pointing out, I'd have no problem.
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So, if I say that
not every person in the LC was in idolatry would you be happy? What level of watering down would I need to accomplish to make you happy with the fact that something God hates was systematically integrated into the LC? (And yes, I'll offer more proof of it even though there is already a ton of it on the other forum).
Remember, I'm happy to agree with your Jeremiah 2:1-2 verses in relation to the LC. To what extent are you willing to accept that there was idolatry. Was if 5%, 10%, 50%, 75%? Was it systemic? Was it just a few individuals? Be specific.
I think it affected everyone. I think the exceptions were very limited. I'm being specific and I'm happy to be wrong. I making definitions and supporting them Biblically. Your defense so far is very subpar in my view.
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Originally Posted by SpeakersCorner
Look, I think those so-called pictures of Jesus hanging in 90% of the churches of the world are idols. But I certainly don't think the churches that have them are idolatrous and every single member is guilty of idol worship simply for attending meetings there.
SC
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Have you heard about the 'shrine' to Witness Lee in Taiwan? How about the cemetery built here in the US? How about the fact that Witness Lee's name is invoked more often that Jesus Christ's in most of the LSM/LC meetings these days?
Do any of these count towards my claims of systemic and widespread idolatry in your mind?
Please remember where this got started. We were talking about the impact of the LC system on the next generation. I pulled out the topic of idolatry because God is very specific in his judgment against idolatry. It will affect subsequent generations because of the deeds of the fathers. I'm actually still on that topic. There was a systemic problem that was pervasive. I've shown evidence and there are others that have spoken up to say, "Yeah, guys, there's a real problem here."
Matt