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Originally Posted by OBW
Nell,
I think this is a really good way to put it.
But I think that even when we thought we were fact checking, I am now convinced that there was often a fog over our minds. Even when we were not yet fully "insiders." It goes like this . . . .
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I totally agree that we were in a fog. It was "so good", how could we ever think anything was "bad" or that anything could go wrong? There's the first opportunity for fact-checking:
Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Can Christians be deceived? Yipper. Can Christians be coming as the "deceiver"? Apparently so.
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Originally Posted by OBW
... you are going to be presented with a whole lot of verses. And a some of them were not necessarily really on the topic. They were there to underpin that there are verses for everything that is said.
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I remember that too. I would think "Huh? What does that verse have to do with the message? Oh well. I just don't get it."
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Originally Posted by OBW
By the time that they get to the thing that we should have fact-checked, even if we recognized it as the important one, we were somewhat stoked with correct verse-teaching synchronization of all the previous ones such that it was often easy to miss how it was not really in sync on that one. And once you get through that message and out the door, you are at least partly on board.
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There was a lot of stuff. I'm thinking more about the blatant stuff like this:
"Don't say anything negative." What are they really saying? "Shut up and don't ask questions." The opposite of Acts 17:11.
Then there's this: "If you take care of the church, God will take care of your family." What are they really saying? Don't miss meetings. Abandon your family. If they don't go along, forget them...they're negative. They "don't see the vision..."
Fact-check: Ephesians 6:6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
It doesn't say "let the church bring up your kids in the nurture and admonition of the Lord." It DOES say "that it may be well with thee, and that you may live long on the earth". What does this
mean? If you
don't honor your father and your mother,
things may not go well for you...
your days on the earth may be shortened...
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Originally Posted by OBW
... we may not have been totally cooked for some time, but the nonsense was always coming. And we still missed it.
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I remember once hearing Don Looper say something in Austin, and I thought "...ohhhhhh.....he really didn't mean that...." I can't remember for sure what he said, but I DO remember having a check inside that something is wrong with that. This happened more than once. The boiling pot had just gone up a few degrees. I didn't understand that this was the Lord turning the light on for me...I excused Don and ignored the warning.
What were we THINKING????
Nell