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Originally Posted by Ohio
Profitable for me personally, and the saints i loved. Helping me as a young, self-conscious kid to mature. Challenging me to study the word until i was able to speak it to others, and praying to the Lord until i found inspiration and the anointing of the Spirit.
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But what did "profitable for me personally" really get us? Better hooks to draw us back. An itch that could only be scratched at the tree in the middle of the "prophesying" times in the LCM?
Yes there was the challenge to know why we believed what we did. But even in those days when we were challenged to study the word to support it, was it really the word that we studied, or Lee's version, or his interpretation of it? If the challenge still exists today to study the un-interpreted word and you grow away from that rotten core, then I can agree. But I cannot assume that everyone manages to become so free of the hooks that are there.
And what was the indicator that we had the inspiration and anointing of the Lord and the Spirit? Too often feedback from others who were mired in the same cesspool. The ones that are still there defending the very things that eventually drove you out.
I am convinced that even though it has been a few years now, you are still too close to the leeks and garlic of the LCM and think that it is valuable.
I know that you don't want to consider that this might be a possibility. That prefer what Steve I wants, and that is everything Lee taught except Deputy Authority and maybe the ground and none of the unrighteous shenanigans. But everything else. You have not seen the traces of Lee's errors that dwell in so many of the even the most benign, normal teachings that we are convinced align with the rest of Christianity.
It is a package deal. Basic salvation may not have been polluted. But even maybe that was. Do you really think that saying three words "Oh Lord Jesus" actually saves you? There is power in the words only if you understand what they mean and you mean them when you say it. If it is merely three words that someone gets you excited enough to repeat a few times, louder each time due to the response of the crowd, are you sure that there was any declaration that Jesus was Lord, even for a moment, in that person's thinking, belief, or life?
But we had a better way. It is everywhere. You saw the bullying. You saw the results of the teachings. If Paul were here today he would speak to the church in [city] and say "instruct some not to teach differently. They are teaching things that result in bullies, fears, pride, and hero worship rather than the orderly working out of God's kingdom, which is by faith."
The problem is that it is not the odd teacher under the oversight of a Timothy that is teaching those wrong things. It is every teacher in the place. Not because they are always willful participants in the errors, but because they have been duped into believing it all. Our Timothy, and for that matter, Paul, were the source of the errant teachings. There was no one guarding the sheep against the wolves. The wolves were the lead shepherds.
You have to reject the source of the error. And it is Lee. And, unfortunately, it is the local elders no matter how honorable they would be in a different system.