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Originally Posted by OBW
I have not denied that any happened. But how much that we still think was real was because of the LCM or despite it. I'm not talking about the people in the LCM. Many of them are dear Christians who have built an alternate reality around themselves that revises much of the doctrine and practice just enough to be able to declare their allegiance to this utopia that they probably could not stomach otherwise. I know that I have heard a fair number of softer or slightly altered versions of Lee's theology over the years since leaving.
And you have really put up a shield when you declare that I am trying to convince you that you had no experiences and were delusions. IT NEVER HAPPENED. You are as guilty of contextualizing my posts as Lee was in isolating 1 Cor 15:45b to declare that Jesus was the Holy Spirit. Read the whole thing instead of having some knee-jerk reaction to one sentence. It makes you sound as if you need the strawman argument to defend some position. If you do, then maybe you need to study you position better . . . either to get clearer on how to defend it (and I will be listening) or to realize its error.
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My point was not that you said everything I experienced was delusional. My point was that you have a tendency to dismiss experience, to a fault as far as I can see. I have read posts by you that have seemed to have been saying that a lot of what we thought we experienced in the LC was not a genuine experience of God. Not only so you seem to downplay experience itself, which to me is ultimately another dog that won't hunt, as I'll explain later.
We've been around each other long enough to do better than to accuse each other of being disingenuous. I'm just trying to understand you as best I can. I want to respect your position, but often I don't even understand it. I STILL DON'T IN REGARDS TO THE CURRENT SUBJECT. So instead of accusing me, why don't you try to explain yourself more clearly.