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Originally Posted by Ohio
No one here loathes the Recovery Version as you suppose. I use it every day.
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I don't loathe it. I do loathe people treating Witness Lee as if he were God incarnate, when he was a sinner like you and I. Yes, a sinner redeemed and reborn, but nonetheless still in the flesh of sin and subject to error. As was his translation, footnotes, and messages. To treat the LSM output as some kind of divine fiat, beyond question and examination, is to me abhorrent.
For example, Lee's idea of 'aggelos' in the Greek text of Revelation 2:1 meaning 'messengers' (of the human kind), and not 'messengers' of the spirit ("He makes His angels spirits/His ministers a flaming fire" e.g. Psalm 104:4/Heb 1:7); and then transposing himself into the narrative as the actual messenger of God, held by Christ's right hand. Interesting to see how far we can carry that notion, if at all.
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Originally Posted by Witness Lee
..."In the epistle to the church in Ephesus we see the all-inclusive Christ as the One who holds the seven 'stars' in His right hand (Rev.2:1). The brothers who are taking the lead in the churches as the messengers (Gk. angels - Rev 1:20) are held in this One's hand. This One is the holder of all church leaders. However, some of the so-called church leaders may not be held by Him. He 'only holds those He recognizes'. To be held by Him, 'you must be recognized by Him' first. We must realize that the leading ones in the churches in the Lord's recovery are held in His hand.....This One who holds the leaders in His hand and who walks in the midst of the churches is the all-inclusive, excellent, marvellous, mysterious, and wonderful One.....When we come to the book of Revelation, however, we 'primarily' need to 'care' for [this wonderful One who is holding all] the 'church leaders' in His right hand and who is walking in the midst of all the churches. A number of times some of the saints came to me and told me that it seemed to them that I never became disappointed or discouraged. They wanted to know why this was the case. The reason for this is that by His mercy, I have seen this marvelous One and I have seen that I AM IN HIS HANDS. To see this strengthens me to the uttermost....This is why the opening word in Revelation 2 says, ' "These things says He who holds the SEVEN STARS IN HIS RIGHT HAND, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands" '..."
(The seven spirits (3), chp 22, pp238-240, God's New Testament Economy, 1986, Living Stream Ministry)..
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Revelation 1:1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending Witness Lee to his servant John,
Revelation 21:10 And he (Witness Lee) carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
I tell you, it doesn't have the same ring to it. Something seems off, here. I just can't put my finger on it, is all.
Somebody throw me a bone, here; help me out. How can we make this thing work? 'Aggelos' in Greek really means a human messenger named 'Witness Lee'...?