[Gubei]

OBW,

I have to disagree.

Igzy is prescriving something by denying other's model. If that is not prescription, what is prescription? And as contray to your observation, I did not insist my model. I already said that the ground of locality is not essential in the common belief among Christians such as salvation, Trinity etc.

I believe the issue of the ground of locality is like that of head covering of sisters. If you ask me what is right according to the Bible, I would answer that sisters shoud take head covering. But I will not insist that practice because that is not essential in our Christian life. In other words, I will accept all the Christians regardless of their position to this matter, but I will not change my model which is according the Bible.

If you ask me what is right according to the Bible, I would anwer that the ground of locality should be practiced. But I will not insist that practice because that is not essential in our Christian life. In other words, I will accept all the Christians regardless of their position to this matter, but I will not change my model which is according to the Bible.

The reason why I think the ground of locality is not essential is due to the following verses by Paul.

Phil. 1
[13] So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places; [14] And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. [15] Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: [16] The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: [17] But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. [18] What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. [19] For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

These verses mean that even in the time of Paul, there were some ministers who did not belong to the ministry of Paul. But Paul recognized their ministries. This means that even in a city, there are some saints who were not under the ministry of Paul or Paul-appointed eldership. But Paul was not bothered by the fact.

Now, I think I am fair in revealing the all the verses in the Bible regarding my model, whether it be for my model or against my model. Do not forget. I'm using verses in the Bible before I use logic.


1. You still are basing your arguement on only logic, not on any even "descriptive" verse in the Bible. Logic is the last resort when we discuss any truth or model concering the Bible. OBW, do not get around the issue. My simple question simply asks a simple answer. As contrary to the case of the ground of locality which has at least some descriptive verses in the Bible whether you agree or not, Igzy's model does not have any supporting verses in the Bible. "sola scriptura" is the first step we should take in talking about truth or model. Furthermore, you and Igzy over and over again used "prescriptive things" to evaluate the truth of the ground of locality. Why are you so reluctant to my simple request for you to apply the same thing to your model?

2. You are not fair in dealing with my answer to the question of prescritpve things. I answered the question by saying the case of Trinity. You have not mentioned about that. Please tell me. Do you accept the truth of Trinity? If so, show me any prescritpve verses which support Trinity.

3. I supppose you accept the model of Igzy. So I ask this question.

You are an elder of a church. And a divisive one comes to your church.
Are you going to accept him or not? Of course, he would definitely say his action is according to the will of the Lord.

(Titus 3:10) 『Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.』

Gubei