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Originally Posted by Oregon

Hi Igzy, I appoligize if I have offended you brother. I guess that I am reacting to what I consider to be strong statements by you that, to me, disregard the Word of God. That's what I am reacting against. I will never accept someones logic that finds a way to circumvent the Word.....and maybe I have misread you and this is not your intent.

No problem, Oregon. I'm not trying to circumvent the Word, I'm trying to interpret it. I'm trying to make it fit together. The local ground doctrine has holes big enough to drive a DayStar through, and I'm sorry but that's not good enough for me. So an alternative Biblical interpretation is needed.


But allow me to say I do have a real problem with these broad-based dismissals of logic. Let me say that kind of response is boilerplate LC stuff, taught and practiced by WL himself.

There's nothing wrong with logic. You can't type a clear sentence without it. You can't find your way to the meeting hall without it. You can't interpret the Bible without it. WL himself often said, "That's not logical."

I hate to be the one to have to tell you guys this but Lee's dismissal of logic (while employing his own) was one of the ways he controlled your minds. The sooner you figure that out the better.

To attack logic itself shows a clear problem in thinking. Logic is indespensible in interpreting the Bible. The question then should be, "Is the logic valid?" Saying "this is just your logic" is a meaningless Leeism. Of course it's my logic. Your job is to tell me how my logic is mistaken, not dismiss it out of hand simply because it's logic.

My counter question is, How do you know my logic is not the Lord's? Well, you have to tell me how it plainly contradicts the Bible (in whole) or how it is self-contradictory. No one has done this.

As to who the real elders are in Toronto......I believe that the "local churches" tied in with LSM are no longer standing on the ground of oneness with all believers.

This pretty much makes my point. You say "I believe." See? So it does boil down to what you believe--in other words, your freedom in Christ to follow the Spirit. Thus freedom in Christ says that more than one group claiming to be the one church in the city is permissable, because you and I might disagree on which one is the right one. Thus multiple groups in the city must be permissable in general. This has always been my basic point.