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ZNPaaneah · 11-14-2016, 05:20 AM

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

I think we can all agree that our status in the NT is that of a royal priesthood. You may or may not want to get involved in Politics as a career, that is your choice based on your own skill set.

But you have been made a priest.

I think we can also agree that the NT did not somehow destroy the importance of knowledge. This verse can apply to Christians and Jews.

1Pet 2:13-17 Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

The Lord's word that "His kingdom is not of this world" does not give us license to pretend we are not subject to every human institution. If you get involved in the political process you become subject to it. I think many Christians don't want to be subject to it so use certain NT verses as an excuse to justify their fear.

Pr 29:2 When the righteous increase, the people rejoice, but when the wicked rule, the people groan.

Jesus Christ has been made righteousness to us. We can see that not only US citizens are groaning but the whole world is groaning when they see the wicked rule in the US. Whether we are talking about assassinations, covert operations, wars for profit, wars to develop our military industrial complex, "pay to play" with Clinton's foundation and who knows who else.

So then, this is not a job for the church, they are not a democracy, they are not an organization for political advantage, Jesus is Lord in the church, it is not a democracy. That said, any Christian that feels led by the Lord certainly could get involved in the process. It can glorify Jesus, it can benefit God's people, it can cause the people to rejoice. It could be a ministry of praise and worship.

Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Truman and Eisenhower are all positive examples.

There are quite a few others who would still be considered men of character.

On the other hand we have begun to see the wicked rule and the people groan. I would say this became most pronounced with the Box 13 scandal and LBJ's ascension to power.

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ZNPaaneah Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 7,105	Re: Politics and the Church Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. I think we can all agree that our status in the NT is that of a royal priesthood. You may or may not want to get involved in Politics as a career, that is your choice based on your own skill set. But you have been made a priest. I think we can also agree that the NT did not somehow destroy the importance of knowledge. This verse can apply to Christians and Jews. 1Pet 2:13-17 Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor. The Lord's word that "His kingdom is not of this world" does not give us license to pretend we are not subject to every human institution. If you get involved in the political process you become subject to it. I think many Christians don't want to be subject to it so use certain NT verses as an excuse to justify their fear. Pr 29:2 When the righteous increase, the people rejoice, but when the wicked rule, the people groan. Jesus Christ has been made righteousness to us. We can see that not only US citizens are groaning but the whole world is groaning when they see the wicked rule in the US. Whether we are talking about assassinations, covert operations, wars for profit, wars to develop our military industrial complex, "pay to play" with Clinton's foundation and who knows who else. So then, this is not a job for the church, they are not a democracy, they are not an organization for political advantage, Jesus is Lord in the church, it is not a democracy. That said, any Christian that feels led by the Lord certainly could get involved in the process. It can glorify Jesus, it can benefit God's people, it can cause the people to rejoice. It could be a ministry of praise and worship. Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Truman and Eisenhower are all positive examples. There are quite a few others who would still be considered men of character. On the other hand we have begun to see the wicked rule and the people groan. I would say this became most pronounced with the Box 13 scandal and LBJ's ascension to power.