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Originally Posted by OBW
He said "a" low point, not "THE" low point. Therefore, all of the points that you mention can also be low points.
As for the history of the government, the administrative branch in particular, and the presidency even more so, it is very clearly A low point in our history.
Either you can't understand the English language, or you are ready to fight against whatever certain people say and will recharacterize what they say to suit your agenda. Take your pick. I can't figure out any more alternative explanations for the stupidity of your rants.
Are you for real?
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Did I miss something? What scandal with Trump has been confirmed? Not interested in allegations, hearsay, or potential outcomes because if he is for real in comparing them to previous scandals in the US we have plenty that have been confirmed.
My point is that we have come a very long way from slavery and only men voting. This has been over the last 200 years. I didn't even mention things like the Boston Massacre where you weren't even allowed to disagree publicly with the Crown without being vilified or even charged with treason. So yes, any little dip in the road can be seen as "a low point". Once taken to the extreme it is meaningless. Yes I am for real. Trump is a very incompetent politician. One of his "flaws" is that he says the same things they say, only in public. If you listen to the Nixon tapes or view Johnson's transcripts there is nothing particularly "low" with Trump other than this language is public.
"Dallek estimates that historical examples of corruption, like that of the Warren G. Harding administration, don’t hold a candle to how Trump and his people have conducted themselves in the White House."
Once again I disagree. We have allegations of corruption, but until there are convictions it is absurd to say these allegations are worse than previously confirmed cases of corruption. I consider that 911 was the biggest government scandal in our history, though others will certainly disagree, though those who disagree rarely if ever have studied the case in detail. I also consider JFK's assassination right up there with 911. Once again, perhaps others disagree. I consider the Box 13 scandal to be every bit as heinous as the worst allegations made so far. The worst possible allegations about Trump was that he stole the election. We know this was a fact with LBJ. The Teapot dome scandal and the horrendous conditions in meat packing houses revealed in "The Jungle" are certainly worse than anything we have confirmed today. Trump's worst statements cannot hold a candle to the accepted behavior during the time of slavery. The public debates in the Senate and house were far worse than anything Trump has said.
Now if Trump starts a nuclear war with North Korea then OK, it will rank up there with Johnson escalating the Vietnam war after the JFK assassination, or with the bogus reason we went to war based on the make believe attack on our Navy. However, you can't blame trump for North Korea getting a hydrogen bomb and an ICBM. Also, if this didn't cross the line we drew in the sand (again not Trump) then nothing does. So if we do go to war with North Korea I would put some of the responsibility on all of the preceding administrations that led up to this.
What is truly unprecedented is how partisan and insulting the discourse is in the news. This change began after JFK was killed, got worse with LBJ's amping up the Vietnam war, got a boost with Watergate, and has become absolutely toxic since the mortgage crisis.
It is too soon to say that Trump is our worst president ever, and so far the evidence would not support that though who knows how it will all end. To me this 24 hour news cycle and desperation to fill every minute with controversial dialogue is what is unprecedented and the worst and nothing in our past holds a candle to it. Eliminate everyone of Trump's tweets and all you have are a few major foot in the mouth issues and gaffes, something all too common to every politician.