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Old 04-13-2018, 12:19 PM   #3138
ZNPaaneah
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Default Re: Politics and the Church

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The movement is less about loyalty to a person and more about loyalty to principle.
I would say that this was Gregor Strasser's viewpoint. There were many in the movement that held this thought, but once Strasser was out it was no longer about a principle but about Hitler.

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Clearly, our POTUS is a flawed man in many ways but what he has exposed is a very disconcerting ruling class in the US government and in collusion with a media elite that considers him to be a parasite that must be destroyed and discharged. He is a disrupter to the order of things. Those who voted for him did not do it because he is a saint, like Mike Pence is considered by many but precisely because he represents a change from that ruling class in DC.
Really? This is when you became disconcerted? Not when the Senate shrugged off the Box 13 scandal with LBJ? Not when they covered up the JFK assassination? You weren't bothered when the OPEC was able to drive Carter out and replace him with Reagan and entire cadre of oil men? 911, a false flag attack designed to put our military in charge of the world's oil and gas supply and to force through massive funding to overhaul our military with drones and robots, that didn't bother you!

Saying that "Trump is a flawed man" is the most generous way of putting it. He is a child, he thought he was the big cheese but really he was simply a big fish for a small pond. He is completely and totally out of his depth and is overwhelmed by this job.

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I think we knew that politicians and media would find little ground to work with or give credit to Trump. He says the sky is blue and his detractors will argue it is red. However, the most alarming thing that I did not grasp until recently is the lengths to which our intelligence apparatus were willing to become complicit in that discrediting mission and to get rid of him. Every time Brennen, Clapper, Comey open their mouths it just confirms what has become apparent. I find that creepy and the one aspect that every American should be alarmed about.

Drake
What alarms me is the extent to which supporters of Trump are willing to dismiss the cooler, wiser heads of those who are experts in their field and given their lives to US national security.

38% of Germans voted for Hitler at his best showing, roughly the same for Trump. I don't think this is a knock against Germans, rather I think this shows that those who are suffering the most in the midst of a great depression want change at any price and are willing to "burn down the establishment" to get it.
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