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Originally Posted by Drake
....and here is where we disagree. And this isn't minutia but a very important realization for the believer to serve God. Our self, our old man, everyone's self, old man, was only worthy of crucifixion. That is why our self was crucified on the cross. Sin the flesh uses the self to carry out its wishes through the body. Therefore Paul writes:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Romans 6:6
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Well, "self" is not necessarily just the "old man." Self can also mean your consciousness of yourself in Christ. I already mentioned that Lee was the one who decided "self" is a bad word. But the fact is, there is an old self and an new self. I realize Lee didn't like that terminology, but that was because he was biased against the word "self." Well, that's his own little word game, and I don't have to play it.
This is where we see where Lee was actually undermining the self-worth of a child of God. By disparaging a person's "self" he was disparaging his self-image, basically disparaging him, which was unhealthy.
If you are going to say the self is our old man, then what shall we call our new man? To me it's the self, too, just in the new creation. It's not like we spend eternity without a self image! We don't become ciphers. We still have a soul, a self-consciousness and a self-image, and so a self. We are going to have some kind of relationship with our selves for eternity. So as Norman Vincent Peale said, "Since you are going to be spending so much time with yourself, you might as well enjoy the relationship!" Lee's ascetic view undermines that healthy relationship. Yeah, we are supposed to deny the bad aspects of our self and live according to the Spirit. Even people in the world understand what self denial is. Why couldn't Lee get it right? Because he was always looking for ways to set himself apart, to the point of error.
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Originally Posted by Drake
To be frank here Igzy, you're not exactly the poster child for warm brotherly love.
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Oh, I can show you many a post where I am quite warm and brotherly. I just don't tolerate prevarication and disingenuousness very well, especially the serial kind. Neither did Jesus, so I'm in good company. So don't prevaricate or be disingenuous, and I'll be really sweet to you.