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Originally Posted by Ohio
John was a simple man who spoke with plain words. The opening to his gospel was well constructed with much deliberation.
Yes, the Logos is the thought, the idea, the message, the story, the narrative of God. Paul, however, called Him the image of the invisible God. These in no way conflict, rather provide complementary descriptions.
While John's message is simple, yours requires endless wordsmithing to explain away his message. Where is your foundational basis of scripture that declares Jesus is not God? There is none. There is only your understanding that the Son of God cannot also be God. This is exactly why John wrote what he did, nearly 70 years after Jesus died and resurrected. John clarified some false and prevailing errors that had developed over time.
Thus John made it so clear that Jesus, the Son, was God eternal. The Word, in the eternal beginning, was with God and was God. This Word created all things. And this Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. In his gospel, John repeatedly brought this truth up:
- He is in the bosom of the Father (1.18)
- The Jews killed Jesus because He made Himself equal with God (5.18; 10.33; 19.7)
- He and the Father are one (10.30)
- Thomas worshiped Him as God (20.28)
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2nd and 3rd John I would consider simple and plain spoken. 1st John, on the other hand is not that plain, simple speech and here, like his gospel is hard to determine who he was speaking to and why he wrote in the way he did.
I, of course would disagree with your assessment of the word being the creator in a simple straight forward speech- throughout the book of Revelation, it is the God of Jesus who is labeled as the creator by the angels, elders, living creatures and by the overcomers. John seems to confuse the basic teachings of Paul if I’m to accept your version of Jesus.