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Boxjobox · 07-11-2020, 11:51 PM

Trapped- you may want to read the 1st 10 verses of Romans 1. Pay special attention to Paul’s referring to God and Christ. As far as I can determine Paul always writes in such a way as to be governed by what he tells the Corinthians- there is one God, the Father. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus is the one true God. He admonishes the Christians in Ephesus to hold to that belief. When one departs from that belief, that practice, I don’t think we can expect the help of the Holy Spirit to witness to a practice that has departed. It would then be the Holy Spirit witnessing to man’s work rather than man witnessing to the work of the Holy Spirit. My contention is that the church took a very wrong turn when it came out with its own dogmas and decrees, which in essence said that the scripture was too short sighted in giving us the truth about God but we have improved with our teachings, and now all just accept our teachings ( does this also sound like WL). My contention then is that if the ministry of WL was working for the recovery of the church, it would have led the saints to declare what Paul gave us- which is a clear understanding that there is but one God, the Father. The meetings would have been filled with a Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus atmosphere rather than an Oh Lord Jesus/processed triune god venue. The idea of meeting together as the LC was wonderful, but the contents was way off base due to the errant speaking of WL. On the main site, the debate seems to be whether modalism was taught by WL. The problem was not just modalism, it was the whole triune God thing. This was not given to us by the scriptures- not taught by the apostles, not witnessed by the Holy Spirit. Would one really expect to have a “ recovery” and stew in this 4th century farce? I think not.

Here is what Peter spoke to those gathered at Cornelius’ house, and the Holy Spirit witnessed to it.
Acts 10.34And Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him. 36The word which he sent unto the children of Israel, preaching good tidings of peace by Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all.) — 37that saying ye yourselves know, which was published throughout all Judaea, beginning from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38even Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the country of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom also they slew, hanging him on a tree. 40Him God raised up the third day, and gave him to be made manifest, 41not to all the people, but unto witnesses that were chosen before of God, even to us, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42And he charged us to preach unto the people, and to testify that this is he who is ordained of God to be the Judge of the living and the dead. 43To him bear all the prophets witness, that through his name every one that believeth on him shall receive remission of sins.

If you want the “ Jesus is God” gospel, realize that it is not what was preached by the foundational church.

07-11-2020, 11:51 PM	#135
Boxjobox Moderated Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 829	Re: Boxjobox on modalism Trapped- you may want to read the 1st 10 verses of Romans 1. Pay special attention to Paul’s referring to God and Christ. As far as I can determine Paul always writes in such a way as to be governed by what he tells the Corinthians- there is one God, the Father. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus is the one true God. He admonishes the Christians in Ephesus to hold to that belief. When one departs from that belief, that practice, I don’t think we can expect the help of the Holy Spirit to witness to a practice that has departed. It would then be the Holy Spirit witnessing to man’s work rather than man witnessing to the work of the Holy Spirit. My contention is that the church took a very wrong turn when it came out with its own dogmas and decrees, which in essence said that the scripture was too short sighted in giving us the truth about God but we have improved with our teachings, and now all just accept our teachings ( does this also sound like WL). My contention then is that if the ministry of WL was working for the recovery of the church, it would have led the saints to declare what Paul gave us- which is a clear understanding that there is but one God, the Father. The meetings would have been filled with a Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus atmosphere rather than an Oh Lord Jesus/processed triune god venue. The idea of meeting together as the LC was wonderful, but the contents was way off base due to the errant speaking of WL. On the main site, the debate seems to be whether modalism was taught by WL. The problem was not just modalism, it was the whole triune God thing. This was not given to us by the scriptures- not taught by the apostles, not witnessed by the Holy Spirit. Would one really expect to have a “ recovery” and stew in this 4th century farce? I think not. Here is what Peter spoke to those gathered at Cornelius’ house, and the Holy Spirit witnessed to it. Acts 10.34And Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him. 36The word which he sent unto the children of Israel, preaching good tidings of peace by Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all.) — 37that saying ye yourselves know, which was published throughout all Judaea, beginning from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38even Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the country of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom also they slew, hanging him on a tree. 40Him God raised up the third day, and gave him to be made manifest, 41not to all the people, but unto witnesses that were chosen before of God, even to us, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42And he charged us to preach unto the people, and to testify that this is he who is ordained of God to be the Judge of the living and the dead. 43To him bear all the prophets witness, that through his name every one that believeth on him shall receive remission of sins. If you want the “ Jesus is God” gospel, realize that it is not what was preached by the foundational church.