[Sons to Glory!]

I just want to add something I've wanted to say, that is hopefully clarifying. The whole mess mankind is in, is because of his choosing something that wasn't good for the race. And now the error is being fully manifested in the cesspool of the flesh and fleshly works. Things have gone awry from God's original purpose. This includes a whole litany of things known as the fruits of the flesh.

So when we talk about "sin," it is just to say it is something off the mark from what God intended and from what glorifies Him. If I get drunk, that harms my body and is off the mark. If I get angry and yell foul things at my wife, that is hurtful and off the mark. If I covet and lust after another's wife, that's off the mark. This is just the flesh, and it can't please God. So when someone inferred that homosexuality is an abomination - it could be said that everything about the flesh is an abomination to God! It is all against Him and what's in it makes enemies to God out of His human creation.

Is there a special place in hell for homosexuals & LGBTQ+? No, I don't think so. The only demarcation to get out will be whether someone has received God's free gift in Christ. Those without Christ, whether they practice homosexuality or whatever (even "good" things), have no hope of escape. All works of the flesh are all the same in that respect.

He who has began a good work in us is faithful and will perfect it! The flesh will fall away and it's works burned up. Hallelujah!

Personally, I count all forms of LGBTQ+ as being off the mark of God's original intention, just like other manifestations of the sins of the flesh. It's all simply worthy of being crucified in Christ. Can I try and justify that I'm raging at my wife over something silly or try and justify some other manifestation of sin? Sure. I can try. But it's still an error, and I need to recognize through these experiences of the flesh that I need Jesus to complete His good work in me!

I think some on this thread are trying to justify what they are doing in any way they can, and even try and bring scripture to make that justification. So what I see is we can try to justify all sorts of things and make them right in our own eyes - but that doesn't mean it's God's truth.

And for the record, least someone claim I am hating, I really do love all of you in Christ, as members of His body. Therefore the old cliché of "Hate the sin, but love the sinner" isn't far off (except that technically, I don't think we are sinners any more - we are saints who sometimes still sin). I hate the sin in my own life too, brothers & sisters! In that respect, no one of us has the market cornered when it comes to the flesh - we've all got it and it's all rotten, being corrupted, and won't get better. It will only get worse and worse as we see His day approaching quickly!