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Old 03-06-2021, 06:11 PM   #105
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Default Re: Good vs. Lee's Trees

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Originally Posted by Nell
When God told Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge, Eve had not yet been "made". She wasn't there---she didn't exist. How 'bout them apples? :-)

How did she know?
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Originally Posted by OBW View Post
I agree with so much of what you said. But right at the beginning, it would seem that you momentarily fell into one of the errors of over-thinking that we all do too often.

The errors that Lee seemed to center on so intentionally are things that we are all prone to at times. See through one error but charge right past the next. The difference is that Lee appears to have used them to his benefit.

But to claim that Eve was not around to hear God speak about the tree of knowledge of good and evil and/or the tree of life is a tough call in a story that begins with an extremely shortened version of the whole of creation and then starts part of it over again. A second telling before the first has sunk in. We hear so little of the interaction of God with Adam, and then including Eve that you either draw the conclusion that they didn't really interact that much, or you can't really say what was or was not spoken in Eve's presence, or after she was made.
I also don't understand OBW's strange resistance to what Nell pointed out here. Many people, including Harvest House's John Ankerberg in an interview series with physicist Hugh Ross note explicitly that quite some time went by between Adam's creation and admonishment not to eat of the tree, and Eve's eventual creation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YkHSBG5fm0 - they start around 2:11:38 and Hugh mentions around 2:21:00 that it was probably months or years between Adam's creation and Eve's. (You can adjust the speed to up to 2x and they are still understandable if anyone doesn't have 15 minutes to spare.)

Ohio's subsequent comment that Eve was deceived and Adam disobeyed is dead on. There is explicit record that Adam was told directly. Eve is created later, no record of God telling her, she doesn't get the benefit of the time to build a relationship with God and trust in God that Adam did, and then the serpent deceives her.

I would say this actually IS a "good catch" because it helps push back against the implicit thought in the LC that sisters are more easily deceived. The Bible never says or implies that...ever...and what we actually see in Genesis is that it really is important for us to hear God directly.
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