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Old 01-29-2019, 04:18 AM   #3
aron
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Default Re: a couple's rise and fall

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Originally Posted by Tom Saulino View Post

I got saved into the church in Atlanta in February of 1974. I moved to Boston area from 1977 thru 1979 with the young people from the southeast and all over the country. I married a sister from Atlanta who also moved to Massachusetts from Georgia. We got married in May 1979 and shortly after moved back to Atlanta to be in the church there.

We moved to Knoxville TN in 1984 as did other saints to start up a church life there. In early 1985 the gospel team visited Knoxville. While they were there I got the burden to join them. My wife is a nurse and worked full time so that I could do it. In February of 1987 my wife and I both participated in the full time training in Taipei. We left in August of 1987 to help with new ones in Orange County that got saved during the door knocking training in summer of ‘87. After taking care of personal matters we came back to Orange County in Early September of 1987. We visited the new ones at night and took part in the training during the day. The problem was that it only lasted for a couple of weeks. After that we were doing full time day labor for Philip and the ministry office during the day and most of the evenings. Some evenings were open to visit the new ones.

My wife’s and my experience in Taipei was glorious. But our experience in Orange County was far from that. We got to see Phillip in action and how people listened to him and followed him...

We lived in the Southeast when most things happened there, and we lived in Orange County when things were happening there. It was about the same time the Jim and Tammy Bakker thing was going down. . . .Benson did nothing to stop Philip Lee and not only so, he supported him. I have no more respect for this man. He has given up every ounce of integrity that he has to follow a man…. Back when he met with the couples at a restaurant on Ball Road nobody brought up this meeting or what went on with Philip. While walking back to the meeting hall my wife and I made it a point to confront Benson about this meeting. My wife said, "when do you say enough is enough as far as the oneness goes", in other words how much can one take and follow blindly before common sense takes over? He couldn't come up with an answer. I said "let me get this right. When it comes to the ministry the spiritual side, that's Witness Lee. When it comes to the practical side, the business side of it that's Philip Lee. Am I being too narrow to say that Philip had no business sharing anything let alone what he shared and the manner in which he did it?" Benson's response was a question. Did you get any life or light in anything that he shared? He couldn't give my wife or me an answer when it was going on yet he had all of the answers by the time of “The Fermentation of The Present Rebellion” book. To me this is terrible. Today I would ask him to his face how he could say things about John and his motives and not look at himself. He knew and still knows what type of person Philip was and still is. What it boils down to is Benson thinks it's more important to follow a man than it is to follow God.

4. Brothers from the Bay area came down on several weekends to remodel a portion of the LSM for the translation work. Some fulltimers including me also helped. I laid the carpet for the room. When it was barely finished Philip told his dad some lies about John Ingalls and the work was moved to Irving, Texas. All of the work for naught. The room was given to Dan Towle for the fulltimers.

5. Seeing Philip in action. From my few encounters with the man I can tell he doesn't have a spiritual bone in his body. If he was a manager of any real company he would have been sued for harassment and/embezzling and would probably be doing some hard time in jail. And to think his holy dad cared more about this son than he did for the church.

6., 7. and 8. I called Witness Lee brother V for vindication. I called Philip brother F. Anyone who has a contrary opinion to his is the devil and Lee would cut down and tell lies about their very character. What about him? How could he let his sons do so many terrible things to the churches and work for decades. How could he tear down honest sincere people like John Ingalls and say or do nothing about Philip. If he lived his man becoming God teaching, why is God condoning evil acts and people and being slanderous towards genuine Christian brothers and sisters? Jesus never vindicated himself while he was on the earth. Rather, He died on the cross.

Lee says he was continuing in the steps of Watchman Nee and that he was so one with this brother. Yet Watchman being accused of living with a woman out of wedlock let the brothers excommunicate him from the church without trying to vindicate himself. The woman turned out to be his mother. Lee on the other hand vindicated himself by tearing down the brothers that had true genuine concerns by saying half truths, exaggerations and outright lies about brothers in public. Not only that he held elders meetings where ones would stand up publicly and tell gross lies about brothers like Bill Mallon, John So, Joseph Fung and John Ingalls. Whosoever could tell the tallest tale would have his ear. The elders in Anaheim through much prayer, much waiting and much discernment excommunicated Philip. To say it wasn't done hastily is a gross understatement. A brother was so mad at Philip for what he did to his wife that he got a gun and was making plans to kill Philip. It went to that extreme before something was done. Then several years after the elders resigned, Lee strong-arms the elders from the church in Anaheim and tells them to write a letter to Philip, and they did write a letter, welcoming him back. More than a year later Philip complained that the letter wasn't signed so all of the brothers signed it and sent it to Philip, apologizing to him for nor signing it. This is God's will. This is a man that is 99% transformed. (WL) This is disgusting is what it is.
The gospel is the declaration of the resurrection of the dead, Jesus Christ being the first. Death reigns no more, but rather eternal life through Jesus Christ.

The "Recovery" narrative was a mis-aiming, a self-oriented fiction, as is clearly seen by the fruits. We have too many such testimonies to remain willfully blind.

But the gospel remains. The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead isn't something that we genuflect on one Sunday in April. It is the power of an indestructible life which now by faith has reached us. It is his faith, not ours. It is "the faith of Christ." Anything else will lead to stories like the above.

Everything in the Bible points to the resurrection of Jesus, not Psalm 16 only. Everything looks to it for fulfillment, then looks back to it for validation. It is the touchstone of our reality. Not the "local church", not "the present revelation" or some such.
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