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Old 12-19-2016, 08:18 PM   #138
ZNPaaneah
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Default Re: Jezebel -- why we should know who she is.

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ZNP) "They "both have their significance and place but are not interchangeable". What does this have to do with anything I have written or quoted? I made my connection to Babel. My quote from Witness Lee was from the Life Study of Daniel on Babel. Do you guys read what I have written?"

ZNP,

Because....

You applied Brother Lee''s quote about the material Babylon in the LS Daniel to the religious Babylon signified by Jezebel in our conversation. You saw the word "Babylon" and it was interchangeable in your argument. By conflating the two you misapply what Brother Lee meant.

Then you accuse Evangelical and yours truly that it is we who do not understand what Brother Lee taught. So I respectfully suggested that you read the footnotes for Revelation 17 & 18. You said you did. Okay, you did but you missed the meaning of the footnote in Revelation 17:5 which states clearly:


51 Mystery here indicates that Babylon the Great in this chapter is not the material Babylon in ch. 18 but the religious one. The religious Babylon, the apostate church, is truly mysterious in what she is, in what she practices, and in what she teaches.
Perhaps we disagree on what the Bible says.

I understand that there is a worldly system that began with Cain. This was manifested in Babel. This city was full of idols. Ultimately we see this as "the great Babylon" in Rev 17 and 18 as a counterfeit for the New Jerusalem.

The spirit that operates is the spirit of disobedience. We can see this operation in the story of Jezebel. She is the personification of this evil system.

I agree with WL that she can be seen in the woman that hid the leaven in the meal. I also agree with WL that she can be seen in the harlot that sits on the beast and that this same spirit operates in her daughters.

So, when someone says "what is the spirit of the worldly system", what does that mean? I would say that you can see what that means by looking at Jezebel.

You want to say that Jezebel does not refer to the material world.

Once again I would refer you to the key criteria.

1. Teach idolatry -- Christmas is an example. Is Christmas part of the religious world or the material world? I say both. If you don't agree, fine, but don't accuse me of being misleading.

2. Eat things sacrificed to idols -- Christmas is a good example. Is the "eating things sacrificed to this idol" part of the religious world or the material world? I say it is both. If you don't agree fine, but don't accuse me of being misleading.

3. Do they claim that Santa Claus is a saint, a prophet, a magical being? I say they do. Both the worldly system as well as the religious system. If you don't agree, fine, but don't accuse me of being misleading.

4. I feel they substitute Santa for Jesus. I feel this is true of both the worldly Babylon and the Religious Babylon. If you don' agree, fine, but don't accuse me of being misleading.

5. I feel they seduce the Lord's servants to commit fornication in their worship. I feel this is true of both the worldly Babylon and the Religious Babylon. If you don't agree, fine, but don't accuse me of being misleading.

I do not disagree with any of the correlation made with the Roman Catholic church. It is all valid. What I do disagree with is your assertion that Jezebel must be limited to that historical example.

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If you want to make a complaint about PL, a lawsuit, MOTA, meany buns Blendeds, etc. you can do that without cutting up the Scriptures like so many puzzle pieces.
You are making a mock of sin.

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Sorry ZNP, but the picture puzzle you present does not look right. There are pieces that have been snipped, others pounded into place that clearly belong somewhere else, and for some the colors don't match. I assure you that up to this point I read your notes carefully but i do not see the scriptural support for them. Sometimes I think we might have an understanding but then you repeat the same error.

Drake
Well perhaps we'll be able to get things into focus. I am very clear that you have accused me of error, but do not see any error that you have identified.
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