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Old 10-17-2018, 06:52 PM   #19
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Florida
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Default Re: Discernment of spirits

Originally Posted by Evangelical View Post
1 John 4:2-3, 1 Cor 12:3, 1 John 4:15 seem absolute to me.

If we cannot test the spirits in an absolute and clear way, then we also cannot know if someone is saved or not according to believing and confessing Christ.
The two ideas are related.

Interestingly, Catholics do not believe in the sufficiency of 1 John 4:2-3, 1 Cor 12:3, 1 John 4:15 neither do they believe we can know if we are saved or not.

I see this like passport control at an airport. 1 John 4:2-3, 1 Cor 12:3, 1 John 4:15 is like a test to see who has a passport or visa and who does not. The officer does not care what kind of person you are as long as you have the correct passport and visa.
The problem I see here is your need for an absolute infallible test with which to judge others. Think about it-- your absolutism here exceeds that of the Roman Catholic Church by your own admission! It would be far better if you would would admit that you are a fallible human being who cannot judge others by any absolutistic standard. Read history and you will see the crimes and genocide committed in the name of Absolutism. It's just the kind of mentality fostered by authoritarian cults. Since you are apparently still associated with Witness Lee's Local Church movement , it is evidence that this group still encourages absolutist authoritarian cultish thinking as they did when I was involved in the group many years ago.

Ken Gemmer- Church in Detroit, Church in Fort Lauderdale, Church in Miami 1973-86

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