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Old 03-11-2020, 03:07 PM   #75
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Originally Posted by Boxjobox View Post
I say, old boy, read through Babuís presentation- lots of twists and turns, interpretations- additions and subtractions to support his thinking. Right in the middle, he presents an extremely large ďif-thenĒ argument - If Jesus is God, then blah blah blah. He does this twice. Then He refers to Jesus as God the Son. Am I really supposed to take this as a serious treatise? We are not considering something like who is the real 12th apostle, or something of minor consideration. I would expect a more noble, scriptural presentation. To the trinitarians, the Jesus is God thing is already a done deal, why put forth an if-then argument? The scripture never refers to Jesus as God the Son, so why would he make such a misleading statement?
Babu shoots himself in the foot trying to present his case.

I included 2 verses from the apostle Paul. in 1Tim 2, Paul points out that it is Godís desire for all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth- thatís Godís desire, and I think God gets what he wants. The way is through the one man Jesus the Christ, who gave himself a ransom for all.

Next was 1Tim 4.10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11These things command and teach.

God is the savior of all men, especially of those who believe.

I think from these 2 verses given to us by the apostle Paul, I get a pretty good idea of Godís desire and plan. From Babu- well, he argues his points like WL- adding, subtracting, cutting, pasting, and including false and misleading non- scriptural ideas.

Grace to you Manna-Man from God our Father and from our Lord Jesus, the anointed one.
Dear brother BJB,

I disagree.

Do you know what Babu means? It's too easy to make judgements against people without knowing much about them. I encourage you to find more of his articles and read them before making such claims against him.

The topic is eternal torment. I presented it because I have.major issues with it and how it makes God look. I don't like everything about Babu's presentation but it's the best I've seen yet.

So... BJB,

Tell me, do you believe God considered everything before creation and then pulled the trigger knowing that those who reject his plan won't just die but suffer in eternal agony for some glorious cruel I told you so?
IMHO...if you believe that you have character issues as well.

I don't mean that as an attack but a wake up slap.

Holy hugs and kisses to you dear brother!
Hose Jr
Proverbs 15:22 Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellers they are established.
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