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Old 03-18-2020, 07:45 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by manna-man View Post
Dear brother BJB,

"Ezekiel 18 King James Version (KJV)
18 The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying,"

4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

E starts out declaring a word from the Lord.

Is E a liar?

The full gospel is the Old and New Testament for scriptures declare that God foreknew and predestined.

I want to believe that ALL will be saved but this type of thinking doesn't jive with the whole of the scriptures and all of the warnings. For if all will be saved then why the warnings? Why the metaphor of the sheep and the hirelings? or the wheat and the tares or the leaven?

Through the scriptures we are encouraged that God doesn't change.

You said that E was quoting the Old Testament.

He was quoting The Word Of The Lord. Otherwise his testimony was meaningless which is just plain not the case.
If that were the case,
The same could be said of Isaiah 9:6.
Zechariah 4:6
John 3:16

If that were the case, we could say that the gospel was as silly as a recent Liberty Mutual commercial where the guy pulls parallel to another car on the highway and yells out give me your hand I can save you! He hands one of the women in the car a card with contact info and then they find themselves stopped at a red light in a silly awkward moment because there's nothing more to say.

The Gospel might put us in an akward position but it is far from silly and it's message is complete. Here's a link to the silly commercial that is great for a good laugh.

Bro Manna-man
You’re misquoting me and then making some statements that are not following. EZek was not quoting the OT, he was living, as was Israel at that time under the Old Covenant and God was dealing with the nation of Israel under that covenant- you jumped verses and didn’t quote verse 2 which shows he is talking to Israel. Vs 30 makes this clear 30“Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways,” says the Lord God. “Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin.

The good news, the gospel is the New Covenant we have through the death and resurrection of Jesus the Christ.

I’m not saying I have great understanding of how God deals with people who reject the gospel in this age, but Paul told Tim ALL and ESPECIALLY.

I was in a situation last month where someone died. The hospital chaplain- a brother, who did not know the deceased, offered a prayer that included “we know he is in a better place”. I have heard this at funerals before also- it’s kind of a hope thing that a person who dies is in Gods hand and God is good, merciful, and forgiving.

You brought up something before that if one felt God was going to punish eternally that they had bad character. If you look at the situation that has existed in and out of the church in the last 2000 years, I would think it is bad character to think that with all the falsehoods, shenanigans, strange religions that exist, that God would eternally extinguish a soul who didn’t get the right message- I’m more persuaded that God, in light of Christ’s sacrifice has a way- as Paul- who was an apostle by Gods will told Tim, God the savior of all, especially of those who believe. I want to be part of that ESPECIALLY as I’m sure you do.

Grace to you manna-man and peace- especially during these trying times from God our Father and Jesus our Lord.
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