Taped conversation between Sal Benoit and Witness Lee circa 1977/8

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

In my view, "the most serious claims" would be Philip Lee sleeping with an elders wife, ...-

IDK if PL actually did that or not. But what I do know, is that Timothy Lee for sure was having an affair with a leading brothers wife in Anaheim for many years. The husband eventually found out.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Raptor

IDK if PL actually did that or not. But what I do know, is that Timothy Lee for sure was having an affair with a leading brothers wife in Anaheim for many years. The husband eventually found out.

Is this referring to the same series of events referenced in John Ingalls account, “Speaking the Truth in Love,” or is this another?

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Is this referring to the same series of events referenced in John Ingalls account, “Speaking the Truth in Love,” or is this another?

I´m not sure which events you are referring to specifically. Weren´t all the main problems JI was trying to deal with about PL?

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Is this referring to the same series of events referenced in John Ingalls account, “Speaking the Truth in Love,” or is this another?

It’s about money. Loaning funds between non-profit organizations and for-profits, which is an SEC violation. Sal loaned Lee the money from the church in Boston (a non-profit). Lee paid it back, but that wasn’t the issue. Lee was a de facto representative of a for-profit company. This left Sal hanging as an unwitting part of a fraudulent scheme.

This may have been alluded to in STTIL, not sure.

Nell

[UntoHim]

The events surrounding this phone call between Lee and Benoit took place a full decade before the events and concerns addressed by John Ingalls in Speaking the Truth in Love. To be sure, there were crossover issues, such as the abuses, excesses, and financial shenanigans and malfeasance of Witness Lee and his sons, Timothy and Philip. I don't believe that Timothy was mentioned in StTiL. I could be wrong about this.

Of course we know now that "the most important decision in my life" that Sal Benoit was referring to in this call was to unhitch his wagon from Lee and Company, and join league with that notorious, despicable and deposed rebel Max Rapaport (who only a few months earlier was considered Lee's righthand man and heir to the throne of the Lord's Recovery) We also know that Benoit had already made his decision, and so had many other members of the church in Boston. And thus began the first major "rebellion" in the Local Church of Witness Lee in America.

Unbeknownst to us foolish and gullible Americans, these kind of uprisings and "rebellions" were old hat to the old Chinese gentleman Lee. By this time, Lee could dispatch of even the most respected and prominent LC members with one arm tied behind his back, and without even breaking a sweat. History would repeat itself about 10 years later, and although Lee ended up in the winner's circle again, this time the victory came at the price of losing hundreds upon hundreds (thousands?) of LC members. Even from his grave there in Grace Gardens, Lee seems to have the power to enforce and reinforce his position as movement leader, albeit the last 25 years through the "Blended Brothers", and their silly, unbiblical edicts such as "The One Publication". May God have mercy.
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[Ohio]

True. We constantly heard about these “10-year storms” which regularly swept thru the Recovery. There was even a “storm” in Taipei which forced Lee and Sons to come to the US. None of these so-called “storms” was ever a rebellion, but a reaction to corruption at the top by faithful men of God.

I would never trust a single historical statement coming out of LSM. Everything is revisionist and hagiography. If they told me the sun was shining outside, I would need independent corroboration.