Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion

[ZNPaaneah]

Wow! WL equated all of those things that JI said towards "the ministry" with "my ministry"? I think this establishes beyond a doubt that by 1986 WL had gone over the deep end. He may have had this unspoken thought his entire life, don't know, but this is clearly scary by 1986.

[rayliotta]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Wow! WL equated all of those things that JI said towards "the ministry" with "my ministry"? I think this establishes beyond a doubt that by 1986 WL had gone over the deep end. He may have had this unspoken thought his entire life, don't know, but this is clearly scary by 1986.

Z, if you haven't already, you might read the rest of the section, on p. 11 of the link to Steve Isitt's site.

Witness Lee seems awfully comfortable making repeated references to "me" and "my ministry".

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by rayliotta

Z, if you haven't already, you might read the rest of the section, on p. 11 of the link to Steve Isitt's site.

Witness Lee seems awfully comfortable making repeated references to "me" and "my ministry".

I couldn't stand to read any of his later ministry after the Life Study of the NT.

[rayliotta]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I couldn't stand to read any of his later ministry after the Life Study of the NT.

Thinking of TFOTPR as "ministry" is almost kind of funny.

Just follow the link, I think Witness Lee's attitude toward "the ministry of the age" is all too clear...George Harrison wrote a song about it...

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by rayliotta

Witness Lee seems awfully comfortable making repeated references to "me" and "my ministry".

Of course. While Witness Lee was among us, his ministry was his ministry. However don't confuse Witness Lee's ministry with the Lord's Ministry.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Terry

Of course. While Witness Lee was among us, his ministry was his ministry. However don't confuse Witness Lee's ministry with the Lord's Ministry.

You have to go back to Post #25 to see how alarming this is.

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by rayliotta

Z, if you haven't already, you might read the rest of the section, on p. 11 of the link to Steve Isitt's site.

Witness Lee seems awfully comfortable making repeated references to "me" and "my ministry".

Yawn,,,

Like were really on to something...

Despite all of the negative there was plenty of positive.

It has been said that Witness Lee had repented of his shortcomings before his end on this sphere.

I have heard this from credible men close to him.

Therefore, the subtle issue to me at least is:
Is this right or wrong making assumptions not based on fact?

I am often amazed by the types that frequent this board.(Don't get me wrong, I recognize and appreciate many here for their gift of expression.)

However, I am quite perplexed by those who have moved on and profess to be in the body life outside of the LC. Surely there has been some growth of maturity here?

It seems as though this board is turning into the "Bereans worst" board. Yikes!

Let me leave you with this statement,
May we all be judged according to the way we judged. Yikes! once more!

Peace,

Don Jr.

[rayliotta]

Originally Posted by manna-man

Yawn,,,
Like were really on to something...
Despite all of the negative there was plenty of positive.
It has been said that Witness Lee had repented of his shortcomings before his end on this sphere.
I have heard this from credible men close to him.
Therefore, the subtle issue to me at least is:
Is this right or wrong making assumptions not based on fact?
I am often amazed by the types that frequent this board.(Don't get me wrong, I recognize and appreciate many here for their gift of expression.)
However, I am quite perplexed by those who have moved on and profess to be in the body life outside of the LC. Surely there has been some growth of maturity here?
It seems as though this board is turning into the "Bereans worst" board. Yikes!
Let me leave you with this statement,
May we all be judged according to the way we judged. Yikes! once more!
Peace,
Don Jr.

manna-man,
You're on to something? Really? Please share with us!
Sincerely,rl

Originally Posted by manna-man

For the most part, I wish I could witness the same attitude here.

P.S. Thanks for not judging us!

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by rayliotta

manna-man,
You're on to something? Really? Please share with us!
Sincerely,
rl

P.S. Thanks for not judging us!

I guess that struck a chord...

You may not agree my friend but that was my version of speaking the truth in love. Now please don't get all cerebral on me.

Peace,

Don Jr

[rayliotta]

Originally Posted by manna-man

I guess that struck a chord...

You may not agree my friend but that was my version of speaking the truth in love. Now please don't get all cerebral on me.

Peace,

Don Jr

All I can say is, ????????????????

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by manna-man

It seems as though this board is turning into the "Bereans worst" board. Yikes!

I sure can't agree with this statement. The numerous posters considered "Bereans worst" are not even registered here.

Can you say more about what's troubling you.

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I sure can't agree with this statement. The numerous posters considered "Bereans worst" are not even registered here.

Can you say more about what's troubling you.

I did dear brother in my reply to Terry's question on what is divisive. Please let me know if my example wasn't clear enough.

As always Peace.

[TLFisher]

As with the example you brought up, can a conscientous objector be considered divisive? It hasn't happened yet, though I plan on bringing up the question to the pastor of the community church where we meet.

[manna-man]

I was once was trouble by something in my earlier years and went to an elder for advice that would console my spirit from my distress .

He looked at me with a concerned look on his face and asked...Did you bring this before The Lord?

I was embarrassed to say that I hadn't. He understood somewhat and encouraged me to do so. What a life lesson!

I learned to run to The Lord for all things instead of man That experience needed to happen for me to get it.
I now laugh at that experience.
What say ye brother ?

Should I comment on something I know very little about?

The only answer I can give is to follow what your concience is convicting you to do but first ask Him.
This is right.

Peace

[ZNPaaneah]

For with what judgement we judge we shall be judged. Good enough to say twice (I mean thrice)
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[Indiana]

www.hidinghistoryinthelordsrecovery.us/DivisionCause.pdf

WITNESS LEE: “Most people pay their attention to the matter of being right or wrong. However, in today’s situation, it is not a matter of right or wrong; it is a matter of whether we are divisive or not.” (W. L., 1989, Elders’ Training, Book 10, p. 110).

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Witness Lee

Should we listen to the churches or take care of our own personal observation of the situation? If we put the notification of so many churches aside and go to investigate the situation for ourselves, this is an offending to the Body. Do we respect the Body or do we respect ourselves?

The body Witness Lee is talking about is : His ministry, not the body of Christ, who those he's quarantining is a member of.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Indiana

WITNESS LEE: “Most people pay their attention to the matter of being right or wrong. However, in today’s situation, it is not a matter of right or wrong; it is a matter of whether we are divisive or not.” (W. L., 1989, Elders’ Training, Book 10, p. 110).

Something I've been thinking about time and time again, what is it to be divisive?

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by Terry

Something I've been thinking about time and time again, what is it to be divisive?

My opinion on the matter is when one speaks of another believer in Christ without reverent fear of The Lords business.

This causes division both with the The Head and potentially the whole body.

Take into consideration the account when brother BM went to TL, at first glance it appeared to be a foolish move. But now from hindsight vision/our perpective has changed and we can clearly see his actions were honorable . BM actions displayed a spirit of reverent fear for The Lords business. His motive was pure and not divisive.

For the most part, I wish I could witness the same attitude here.

Peace to all men,

Don Jr.

[ZNPaaneah]

God is not mocked, you reap what you sow. It is very much according to this principle that people who treated others deceitfully and abusively would themselves reap that.

That said I would encourage all to err on the side of caution. My experience is that the Lord's judgement is far tougher than anything I would dish out. So why try to usurp His position?

Originally Posted by manna-man

My opinion on the matter is when one speaks of another believer in Christ without reverent fear of The Lords business.

This causes division both with the The Head and potentially the whole body.

Take into consideration the account when brother BM went to TL, at first glance it appeared to be a foolish move. But now from hindsight vision/our perpective has changed and we can clearly see his actions were honorable .
BM actions displayed a spirit of reverent fear for The Lords business. His motive was pure and not divisive.

For the most part, I wish I could witness the same attitude here.

Peace to all men,

Don Jr.