I had a dream. (Full)

[seeking1]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I was told by many saints that things had changed for the better. I was told that TC had changed for the better. I was told that the GLA churches were enjoying new found liberties after leaving LSM.

Unfortunately, the locality I was meeting in had some staunch Lee advocates. They sided with Titus in the split but, it's like many have already said, Lee got a free a pass and it's those power hungry blendeds who are to blame. There were definitely some brothers in my locality who resented Titus for his actions decades ago and more recently with his publications. Just prior to my departure one of the brothers was complaining about how we didn't have the video trainings anymore and how those riches are something that a young brother like me needs. I held my peace.

The last time I saw Titus, at a Elders and Leading Ones meeting, he was doing some serious LSM bashing. I was just sitting there like "I didn't come for this", I did get Rex Beck's book on TA sparks so it wasn't a total loss. It's true that "The Split", was just a power struggle over who was to continue Lee's ministry. So now you can get the flow of Lee from two convenient locations Cleveland or Anaheim.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by seeking1

Unfortunately, the locality I was meeting in had some staunch Lee advocates. They sided with Titus in the split but, it's like many have already said, Lee got a free a pass and it's those power hungry blendeds who are to blame. There were definitely some brothers in my locality who resented Titus for his actions decades ago and more recently with his publications. Just prior to my departure one of the brothers was complaining about how we didn't have the video trainings anymore and how those riches are something that a young brother like me needs. I held my peace.

The last time I saw Titus, at a Elders and Leading Ones meeting, he was doing some serious LSM bashing. I was just sitting there like "I didn't come for this", I did get Rex Beck's book on TA sparks so it wasn't a total loss. It's true that "The Split", was just a power struggle over who was to continue Lee's ministry. So now you can get the flow of Lee from two convenient locations Cleveland or Anaheim.

I've always wondered how much RB's book on T.A.Sparks (sponsored by TC his FIL) upset those Blendeds. Brothers like Sparks and Ingalls supposedly instigated coup d'etats against the ministry, so they are the most hated ones, and here a book comes out of Cleveland about TAS. Kind of like one of Darby's associates writing a favorable book about George Muller.

When the whole quarantine was going down, and brothers were posting their allegiances pro and con in public letters on the websites, I felt that many LSM supporters in the GLA did so because of the way TC treats other brothers. It's easier to think that brothers 2,000 miles away are more "holy" when one has witnessed so much abuse to the brothers around you.

For decades TC has sown seeds of suspicion concerning the Blendeds into GLA leaders. The fact is no one can work with TC side by side, and Benjamen Chen of NYC testified that at Whistler. In many regardss, TC is rich in Christ, and I learned much from him, and for that I am grateful. But his ministry comes with lots of "extras," and bashing brothers is part of it. He definitely learned that from WL.

[seeking1]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I've always wondered how much RB's book on T.A.Sparks (sponsored by TC his FIL) upset those Blendeds. Brothers like Sparks and Ingalls supposedly instigated coup d'etats against the ministry, so they are the most hated ones, and here a book comes out of Cleveland about TAS. Kind of like one of Darby's associates writing a favorable book about George Muller.

Rex was delicate in his description of the relationship between Sparks & Lee.
A good read though.

Originally Posted by Ohio

In many regardss, TC is rich in Christ, and I learned much from him, and for that I am grateful. But his ministry comes with lots of "extras," and bashing brothers is part of it. He definitely learned that from WL.

Yeah I know what you're talking about, it would be unusual to make it through a conference or training where Titus didn't put someone in the hot seat in front of all the saints. Once, during a session in the home behind Hall 1, I had to endure Titus berating an older brother (to me) who had left the LC years ago but had recently returned. Man! That brother must of been Oh Lord! Amen! Hallelujah-ing! inwardly the whole time because I don't think I could have taken it, I probably would have walked!

I too received some help from Titus, but he has his faults like the rest of us. It makes me think of Revelation when John was weeping because he thought there was no one worthy to open the scroll, no one in heaven, on earth or under the earth, but hallelujah! there was one... only one who was worthy, Christ. May we look to Him, because when we look to men, we're setting our selves up to be let down.

I hope this post comes out ok. I'm trying figure out how to display the quotes and what not. Bear with me folks.

Originally Posted by seeking1

May we look to Him, because when we look to men, we're setting our selves up to be let down.

Exactly! And this is why I believe many Christians become disillusioned: their favorite preacher lets them down and they crumble because their faith was misdirected. Our faith should be in Christ and him alone!

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Exactly! And this is why I believe many Christians become disillusioned: their favorite preacher lets them down and they crumble because their faith was misdirected. Our faith should be in Christ and him alone!

Of course, we should look to "Christ and him alone!" That goes without saying. The Bible also teaches us to "obey the ones leading you and submit to them, and to be subject to elders." This does not mean that we "put our faith" in our leaders. There is a huge difference between believing into the Lord and submitting to human leaders. These are two very different matters which our "unregistered guest" has confused.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Of course, we should look to "Christ and him alone!" That goes without saying. The Bible also teaches us to "obey the ones leading you and submit to them, and to be subject to elders." This does not mean that we "put our faith" in our leaders. There is a huge difference between believing into the Lord and submitting to human leaders. These are two very different matters which our "unregistered guest" has confused.

So you don't believe some Christians faith is misdirected and is for all intent and purposes in their favorite preacher instead of Christ and/or in addition to Christ?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by seeking1

Yeah I know what you're talking about, it would be unusual to make it through a conference or training where Titus didn't put someone in the hot seat in front of all the saints. Once, during a session in the home behind Hall 1, I had to endure Titus berating an older brother (to me) who had left the LC years ago but had recently returned. Man!

What a shame! And this was supposedly after TC had "changed" to become a "kinder, gentler, more considerate" brother. Why can't TC rejoice that the Lord had restored the brother? Think about how very few who have left the LC's actually have the grace to return!?! This brother has to be an overcomer. How much did the church pray for the brother to return, only to get beat up by TC?

What do you think would happen to me if I returned after all I have written? Can't imagine the "berating" I would receive. Yet ... I would challenge any brother to point out where my witness was false. TC has been given a free license to abuse brothers for decades. I have never seen another brother or two rise up to defend a brother under attack. Are there any brothers even left for TC to beat up?