ETERNAL TORMENT IS FALSE TEACHING WHAT SAY YE'?

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by awareness

Hey Jr. Glad you're hear to get spunky with our traditional conceptions of hell.

Could a loving God invent an eternal cosmic torture chamber?

Well, you provided a quote (a long one by the way), so I'll answer this with a quote (see if you get it):

"This Bible is built mainly out of the fragments of older Bibles that had their day and crumbled to ruin. So it noticeably lacks in originality, necessarily. Its three or four most imposing and impressive events all happened in earlier Bibles; all its best precepts and rules of conduct came also from those Bibles; there are only two new things in it: hell, for one, and that singular heaven I have told you about. What shall we do? If we believe, with these people, that their God invented these cruel things, we slander him; if we believe that these people invented them themselves, we slander them. It is an unpleasant dilemma in either case, for neither of these parties has done us any harm. For the sake of tranquillity, let us take a side. Let us join forces with the people and put the whole ungracious burden upon him—heaven, hell, Bible and all. It does not seem right, it does not seem fair; and yet when you consider that heaven, and how crushingly charged it is with everything that is repulsive to a human being, how can we believe a human being invented it? And when I come to tell you about hell, the strain will be greater still, and you will be likely to say, No, a man would not provide that place, for either himself or anybody else; he simply couldn’t."
~ Twain, Mark. Letters from the Earth: Uncensored Writings (Perennial Classics) (Kindle Locations 240-246). HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.

Crumbled to ruin?

Harold,

Only Satan himself would try to spin a narrative like yours and hope men would allow such foolishness to take root in their minds. You have thrown the baby out with the bathwater/given up on the gospel of Christ and crossed over to the dark side.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by manna-man

Crumble to ruin?

Harold,

Only Satan himself would try to spin a narrative like yours and hope men would allow such foolishness to take root in their minds. You have thrown the baby out with the bathwater/given up on the gospel of Christ and crossed over to the dark side.

Now now Don. Harold's not Satan. A Halloween witch maybe, but not Satan.

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by zeek

Now now Don. Harold's not Satan. A Halloween witch maybe, but not Satan.

Ken...you and Harold remind me of a couple of characters in the book "screwtape letters by C.S. Lewis.)

[zeek]

Originally Posted by manna-man

Ken...you and Harold remind me of a couple of characters in the book "screwtape letters by C.S. Lewis.)

You have such a vivid imagination. Good. A rich imagination is a sign of intelligence. But, let us hope, not intelligence gone array. I immensely enjoyed The Screwtape Letters @ 40 years ago when I was in college a member of Inter-varsity a campus Christian Club and the Baptist Student Union. That was before I was contacted by Witness Lee's Local Church where I was exhorted to read nothing but the Bible and Witness Lee's writings. Even Watchman Nee's works were discouraged because they weren't in the up-to-date flow. What an indoctrination I got there! Whew, it made my head spin like Linda Blair's in the Exorcist.

But, I digress... what you are doing is demonizing old Harold and I. And you are doing it quite literally rather than in the metaphorical sense in which the term is used in politics. What you're experiencing is a fear of the Other.

Personally, I don't mind it. It's not like I'm trying to be accepted in your cult or sect, or political pod or whatever. I am here at the pleasure of UntoHim who runs this joint and can kick me out at any time. He and I have had our go-rounds and we have come to appreciate each at least in the dungeon here that we call Alt Views. I rarely venture into the so-called "open" forums of this site where all but the orthodox evangelical argue with each other and other POVs freak people out. Boring.

So, anyway, this is kind of neutral ground where we can talk and tell the truth as we see it. So, welcome to you Don. I bear no animosity toward you for kicking me out of your special club or unfriending me. Given what I perceive to be your mindset, I wouldn't have it any other way.

So, Harold and I are threatening to you, dangerous as it were?

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by zeek

You have such a vivid imagination. Good. A rich imagination is a sign of intelligence. But, let us hope, not intelligence gone array. I immensely enjoyed The Screwtape Letters @ 40 years ago when I was in college a member of Inter-varsity a campus Christian Club and the Baptist Student Union. That was before I was contacted by Witness Lee's Local Church where I was exhorted to read nothing but the Bible and Witness Lee's writings. Even Watchman Nee's works were discouraged because they weren't in the up-to-date flow. What an indoctrination I got there! Whew, it made my head spin like Linda Blair's in the Exorcist.

But, I digress... what you are doing is demonizing old Harold and I. And you are doing it quite literally rather than in the metaphorical sense in which the term is used in politics. What you're experiencing is a fear of the Other.

Personally, I don't mind it. It's not like I'm trying to be accepted in your cult or sect, or political pod or whatever. I am here at the pleasure of UntoHim who runs this joint and can kick me out at any time. He and I have had our go-rounds and we have come to appreciate each at least in the dungeon here that we call Alt Views. I rarely venture into the so-called "open" forums of this site where all but the orthodox evangelical argue with each other and other POVs freak people out. Boring.

So, anyway, this is kind of neutral ground where we can talk and tell the truth as we see it. So, welcome to you Don. I bear no animosity toward you for kicking me out of your special club or unfriending me. Given what I perceive to be your mindset, I wouldn't have it any other way.

So, Harold and I are threatening to you, dangerous as it were?

Not to me.... but IMHO to yourselves and innocent bystanders.

Shock value is over rated....

Unbridled tongues are like a ship without a rudder. They ram and sink newbies.

As I scan the topics here on Altered states......I can't imagine how this all came to be.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by manna-man

Not to me.... but IMHO to yourselves and innocent bystanders.

Shock value is over rated....

Unbridled tongues are like a ship without a rudder. They ram and sink newbies.

As I scan the topics here on Altered states......I can't imagine how this all came to be.

Personally I'm not going for shock value. My tongue is bridled with civility and the truth as I see it. You can make it your job to patch and float the newbies assuming that there are any following the forum. It might seem kind of patronizing to those you categorize as such though.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by manna-man

They . . . sink newbies.

The most important thing the newbies can learn is critical thinking, and to think for themselves ... to not just accept the traditions of me, that so many want to push on them.

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by awareness

The most important thing the newbies can learn is critical thinking, and to think for themselves ... to not just accept the traditions of me, that so many want to push on them.

Eehhem!

What happened to getting back to the joys of eternal torment?

Here's the truth in Love.

You tried to destroy that group. You were rude to my cousin. You entered that group with guns blazing and no consideration for anyones situation and total disregard for what I was attempting to do.

It was nothing but a joke to you. In that one morning you generated at least 30 notifications to everyone in the group. These people didn't even have time to understand that they have been placed into that group just like yourself.

If anything they were getting a crash coarse in critical thinking like you say! But when my cousin stood up and declared o you..."if you don't like the group..you know the way out" Obviously defending the group I just started.

You unleashed on her. This all happened before 9:30 a.m. of the first day of the group.

You said to me..essentially....the group needed you with your vast knowledge and books you had accumulated.

You even dared me to remove you from the group!

And yes.... There were over 230 witnesses!

Am I afraid of you?

No.

But I am wise to what you are doing.

You are sowing doubt to all who would believe you and passing it off as responsible reasoning.

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by awareness

The most important thing the newbies can learn is critical thinking, and to think for themselves ... to not just accept the traditions of me, that so many want to push on them.

Eehhem!

What happened to getting back to the joys of eternal torment?

Here's the truth in Love.

You tried to destroy that group. You were rude to my cousin. You entered that group with guns blazing and no consideration for anyones situation and total disregard for what I was attempting to do.

It was nothing but a joke to you. In that one morning you generated at least 30 notifications to everyone in the group. These people didn't even have time to understand that they have been placed into that group just like yourself.

If anything they were getting a crash coarse in critical thinking like you say! But when my cousin stood up and declared o you..."if you don't like the group..you know the way out" Obviously defending the group I just started.

You unleashed on her. This all happened before 9:30 a.m. of the first day of the group.

You said to me..essentially....the group needed you with your vast knowledge and books you had accumulated.

You even dared me to remove you from the group!

And yes.... There wer over 230 witnesses!

Am I afraid of you?

No.

But I am wise to what you are doing.

You are sowing doubt to all who would believe you and passing it off as responsible reasoning.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by manna-man

Crumbled to ruin?

Harold,

Only Satan himself would try to spin a narrative like yours and hope men would allow such foolishness to take root in their minds. You have thrown the baby out with the bathwater/given up on the gospel of Christ and crossed over to the dark side.

I am not the topic of this thread.

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by awareness

I am not the topic of this thread.

Sure you are.

And so am I and everyone else.

Is it not a main function of this group to have open discussions and express our experiences
and ideas? You do this all the time. Must I abide by a different standard that you helped form here on Alternative views? A quick review of your posts will validate that you are...(Your Opinions). Are the topic on many threads.