Local Church Discussions  

Go Back   Local Church Discussions > Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-18-2017, 11:50 AM   #1
ZNPaaneah
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 7,105
Default Re: Getting the ducks in order

Quote:
Originally Posted by awareness View Post
And it says we have rights to pursue "Life, Liberty, and Happiness." That statement is absent in the constitution.

Easy mistake. Surprisingly, some in our founding days considered the Declaration to be more authoritative than the constitution.
How exactly would you legislate the right to pursue life? It is enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

We pursued liberty by fighting the revolutionary war.

We pursue happiness with our laws, economy, and political structure in place along with our freedoms.

The declaration is just that, a declaration. The constitution is just that, our constitution.
__________________
They shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God
ZNPaaneah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2017, 04:46 PM   #2
Ohio
Member
 
Ohio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Greater Ohio
Posts: 13,693
Default Re: Getting the ducks in order

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah View Post
How exactly would you legislate the right to pursue life? It is enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

We pursued liberty by fighting the revolutionary war.

We pursue happiness with our laws, economy, and political structure in place along with our freedoms.

The declaration is just that, a declaration. The constitution is just that, our constitution.
By overturning Roe.
__________________
Ohio's motto is: With God all things are possible!.
Keeping all my posts short, quick, living, and to the point!
Ohio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2017, 05:54 PM   #3
ZNPaaneah
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 7,105
Default Re: Getting the ducks in order

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ohio View Post
By overturning Roe.
Overturning Roe would not be legislating. The proper ruling based on the Constitution would be to turn this matter over to the States.

I think it would be a disaster to legislate a law outlawing abortion. Just as Blackmun's ruling was a disaster. All that Blackmun has accomplished is to outrage and divide America in half.

If Nevada chose to make abortions legal whereas Mississippi voted to make them illegal and Missouri came up with some kind of compromise legislation I could live with that. I would participate in the NY legislation and if I was outraged by it I would move to a State I agreed with.
__________________
They shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God
ZNPaaneah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2017, 08:34 PM   #4
Ohio
Member
 
Ohio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Greater Ohio
Posts: 13,693
Default Re: Getting the ducks in order

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah View Post
Overturning Roe would not be legislating. The proper ruling based on the Constitution would be to turn this matter over to the States.

I think it would be a disaster to legislate a law outlawing abortion. Just as Blackmun's ruling was a disaster. All that Blackmun has accomplished is to outrage and divide America in half.

If Nevada chose to make abortions legal whereas Mississippi voted to make them illegal and Missouri came up with some kind of compromise legislation I could live with that. I would participate in the NY legislation and if I was outraged by it I would move to a State I agreed with.
Overturning Roe IS to turn the matter over to the States.
__________________
Ohio's motto is: With God all things are possible!.
Keeping all my posts short, quick, living, and to the point!
Ohio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2017, 09:03 PM   #5
ZNPaaneah
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 7,105
Default Re: Getting the ducks in order

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ohio View Post
Overturning Roe IS to turn the matter over to the States.
That would be a great victory.
__________________
They shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God
ZNPaaneah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2017, 12:33 AM   #6
zeek
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Florida
Posts: 4,223
Default Re: Politics and the Church

Donald Trump's campaign made contact with Russia at least 18 times during his presidential race, according to a new report.

The interactions had previously been kept secret by the campaign but are now being reviewed as part of the FBI and congressional investigation into Trump's relationship with Russia.

Conversations between members of Trump's team and high-ranking officials including setting up a special backchannel for communications between the President and Putin, Reuters reported. That would allow the two talk without involving US national security officials.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7742231.html
__________________

Ken Gemmer- Church in Detroit, Church in Fort Lauderdale, Church in Miami 1973-86


zeek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2017, 05:49 AM   #7
ZNPaaneah
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 7,105
Default Re: Politics and the Church

Quote:
Originally Posted by zeek View Post
Donald Trump's campaign made contact with Russia at least 18 times during his presidential race, according to a new report.

The interactions had previously been kept secret by the campaign but are now being reviewed as part of the FBI and congressional investigation into Trump's relationship with Russia.

Conversations between members of Trump's team and high-ranking officials including setting up a special backchannel for communications between the President and Putin, Reuters reported. That would allow the two talk without involving US national security officials.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7742231.html
I expect them to do a thorough investigation. One question I would ask is how many times did they contact other countries? That would give us a point of comparison, it would also find out if other countries are also involved. Suppose they discover that large campaign donations came from some other countries, that would be very relevant. For all we know this is the tip of the iceberg, everyone is guilty and Trump merely got caught.

If you were concerned about National security, ethics violations, criminal violations then this investigation is the very best thing. Yet interestingly those who were voicing the most concern a week ago now seem more focused on what else might be uncovered rather than resolving these concerns.
__________________
They shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God
ZNPaaneah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2017, 09:14 AM   #8
Ohio
Member
 
Ohio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Greater Ohio
Posts: 13,693
Default Re: Politics and the Church

Quote:
Originally Posted by zeek View Post
Donald Trump's campaign made contact with Russia at least 18 times during his presidential race, according to a new report.

The interactions had previously been kept secret by the campaign but are now being reviewed as part of the FBI and congressional investigation into Trump's relationship with Russia.
When Does All That Evidence of Collusion Arrive?

Even the radical Dems, like fEinstein and Mad Maxine from CalyFornia, are admitting that they have NOT seen ANY evidence of Trump colluding with the Commies.

Uh-oh, that's not good, but let's not let the lack of evidence get in the way of a Good Coup, so we'll just change the story, and the accusations, again!

ComeyGate! Just like WaterGate! The downfall of another Republican president!!! We got him this time! How dare he fire that guy who cost Hillary the election.

When that one doesn't work, we'll have another waiting in the wings.

How about Burkagate? Sounds terrible! -- "Melania Trump offends 2 billion Muslams by disrespecting Muhammud and refusing to wear a burka in Saudi Arabia."

Or perhaps TextGate -- "Anonymous sources REVEAL Trump got numerous TEXTS from Huma's Ex while living in NYC!" OMG! "And Malania files for divorce the same day."

NYTimes HeadLine news for weeks!
__________________
Ohio's motto is: With God all things are possible!.
Keeping all my posts short, quick, living, and to the point!
Ohio is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:03 AM.


3.8.9