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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...pgtype=article

Surely you didn't mean there is no precedent for a President telling untruth, so your issue isn't the lie, it is the amount of time spent on the lie?

Can you explain how Nixon and LBJ cannot be viewed as a precedent?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Surely you didn't mean there is no precedent for a President telling untruth, so your issue isn't the lie, it is the amount of time spent on the lie?

Can you explain how Nixon and LBJ cannot be viewed as a precedent?

Surely you read the acknowledgement that " Every president has shaded the truth or told occasional whoppers."

Duplicity isn't unusual among politicians and a degree of self-delusion is common among people of power. But, Trump exceeds even Nixon and LBJ in the frequency and pervasiveness of lies. Nixon was able to dissemble because he knew when he was lying and when he wasn't. Trump doesn't seem to know the difference. For him, adherence to objective truth is irrelevant. All that matters is winning.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Surely you read the acknowledgement that " Every president has shaded the truth or told occasional whoppers."

Duplicity isn't unusual among politicians and a degree of self-delusion is common among people of power. But, Trump exceeds even Nixon and LBJ in the frequency and pervasiveness of lies. Nixon was able to dissemble because he knew when he was lying and when he wasn't. Trump doesn't seem to know the difference. For him, adherence to objective truth is irrelevant. All that matters is winning.

And you know these are all "lies" because "reputable" sources like CNN told you so???

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And you know these are all "lies" because "reputable" sources like CNN told you so???

I know they are lies when he contradicts himself which he does it seems like nearly every day.

[zeek]

If Mahatma Ghandi was correct that “a nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members” the senate should reject the Republican health care bill. If Trump and Congress want to make America great they should adopt Bernie Sanders' health care proposal.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

If Mahatma Ghandi was correct that “a nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members” the senate should reject the Republican health care bill. If Trump and Congress want to make America great they should adopt Bernie Sanders' health care proposal.

Your kind of "greatness" costs America more than a Trillion a year in borrowed money. We are now the poorest nation in the history of mankind, digging a bigger hole every day with all of our entitlements. But what do you care, you are a socialist. Why don't you find a socialist country and move there with all the others who promised to leave if Trump was elected?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Your kind of "greatness" costs America more than a Trillion a year in borrowed money. We are now the poorest nation in the history of mankind, digging a bigger hole every day with all of our entitlements. But what do you care, you are a socialist. Why don't you find a socialist country and move there with all the others who promised to leave if Trump was elected?

I should leave the country because I disagree with you?

Why do you favor tax cuts for the wealthiest and health care cuts for the disabled? That seems mean spirited. Don't you know disabled people and children who benefit from Medicaid and couldn't survive without it?

You're concerned about the national debt? Doesn't it bother you that middle-class Americans are forced to pay taxes, while the super-rich and corporations enjoy loopholes and Republicans plan to give them greater tax breaks?

I opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which cost $2.4 trillion because they were financed with borrowed money. America spends almost as much on defense as the rest of the world combined.

But you're OK with that? You prefer to cut Entitlements like Social Security? Haven't you paid into SS? Unless you're filthy rich, it seems like your opinions run counter to your own interests and all but the wealthiest Americans.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

If Mahatma Ghandi was correct that “a nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members” the senate should reject the Republican health care bill. If Trump and Congress want to make America great they should adopt Bernie Sanders' health care proposal.

Congress needs to knock off the nonsense, look north for a system that's working, and go with Elizabeth Warren's call for a single payer health care system.

I wonder if the healthcare system currently being proposed is for genocide of the poor and undesirables.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Surely you read the acknowledgement that " Every president has shaded the truth or told occasional whoppers."

Duplicity isn't unusual among politicians and a degree of self-delusion is common among people of power. But, Trump exceeds even Nixon and LBJ in the frequency and pervasiveness of lies. Nixon was able to dissemble because he knew when he was lying and when he wasn't. Trump doesn't seem to know the difference. For him, adherence to objective truth is irrelevant. All that matters is winning.

Once again I see lots of precedent for Trump's behavior, even if you think it is more extreme, more excessive. There was plenty of concern for both LBJ and Nixon that at times they had gone nuts.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Once again I see lots of precedent for Trump's behavior, even if you think it is more extreme, more excessive. There was plenty of concern for both LBJ and Nixon that at times they had gone nuts.

But Trump is just beginning. Like bro Ohio likes to state : Let's give him a chance.