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[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yes, wood is dirtier. There is a very good reason why it is banned in many cities. However, if you are collecting firewood and burning it that is a "renewable resource" and hence can be part of a 0 emissions goal.

Coal on the other hand takes millions of years to form. It is a fossil fuel.

It is a simple mathematical equation -- the amount of carbon that enters the atmosphere each year must equal the amount that comes out. Carbon is not the villain, the villain is the excess carbon. 100 years ago there were very few options other than coal (wind, water). But today that is not true by any stretch. 50 years ago you could argue that solar and wind are not an economically viable option, that also is no longer true by any analysis.

Let's face it, we all leave an environmental footprint of some kind.

Back in the 1800s, when world population was only a billion, it wasn't much of a problem. Now, with over 7 billion even the smallest footprint is a concern.

So far, seems, war, disease, famines, catastrophes, etc., haven't been able to slow population explosion.

It's gonna take God to do it ... in the great flame out. But if He delay's, we don't need Him, we can do it ourselves.

Sooner or later humans will become as extinct as the dinosaurs. But not to worry, we, a superior more intelligent and self-conscious, being came along after them. Maybe that will happen after we're gone.

In other words, our end allows God another chance. Maybe He's learned something, and will get it right the next time.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Let's face it, we all leave an environmental footprint of some kind.

Back in the 1800s, when world population was only a billion, it wasn't much of a problem. Now, with over 7 billion even the smallest footprint is a concern.

Many environmentalists teach this, but I disagree. I don't think the farmer in Kurdistan burning dung is a concern. I think that cities are the concern. If Shanghai decided to generate electricity by burning wood that would be a huge concern, but if you own a couple of acres of land and want to gather the firewood and burn it each winter, that to me is something the Earth can handle.

Originally Posted by awareness

So far, seems, war, disease, famines, catastrophes, etc., haven't been able to slow population explosion.

I think we should be good stewards. A massive die off of people would not be a solution, it would simply make it impossible for us to develop cleaner technologies.

Originally Posted by awareness

It's gonna take God to do it ... in the great flame out. But if He delay's, we don't need Him, we can do it ourselves.

Sooner or later humans will become as extinct as the dinosaurs. But not to worry, we, a superior more intelligent and self-conscious, being came along after them. Maybe that will happen after we're gone.

In other words, our end allows God another chance. Maybe He's learned something, and will get it right the next time.

We were assigned the responsibility of taking care of the Earth. It is our responsibility. If we fail it is essentially insignificant. The Earth has had 5 extinctions in the last 500 million years, this will be the 6th. That only refers to the last 500 million years, the Earth is 4.6 billion years. So in the grand scheme of things on Earth this would merely make the top 10. However, there are 8 planets in our solar system, very arrogant to think that they don't matter. Finally, from the grand prospective the Sun would have to be far more important than any planet. So as far as our solar system is concerned this climate change barely registers as an important event. Still there are a billion stars in our galaxy, so from the galaxies perspective it is completely insignificant.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

We were assigned the responsibility of taking care of the Earth. It is our responsibility. If we fail it is essentially insignificant.

I just don't believe that this current earth is man's permanent home. Before Genesis the earth was uninhabitable, and according to Revelation, it will soon be once again uninhabitable. That's not to say that we should be reckless and destroy the planet, but that we should recognize what our Creator is doing. We also must recognize that mankind will reap what he has sown for centuries.

This planet is changing, and it should warn us of His coming. Independent of our "carbon footprint," we are facing climate changes, tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, forest fires, deluges, etc. We cannot foolishly blame all these events on Trump for canceling the Paris climate accord. That accord was a fool's dream, just an American cash giveaway. Obama was good at that.

Sure I sound apocalyptic, and I am, but trying to believe that mankind will save itself is far worse idiocy. We can't even protect ourselves from a crazed dictator the other side of the world. At this rate, every terrorist organization will have nukes in another decade. Nuclear technology is spreading, and like awareness told us, mankind will kill himself off unless the Lord Jesus returns to save those who remain.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Many environmentalists teach this, but I disagree. I don't think the farmer in Kurdistan burning dung is a concern. I think that cities are the concern. If Shanghai decided to generate electricity by burning wood that would be a huge concern, but if you own a couple of acres of land and want to gather the firewood and burn it each winter, that to me is something the Earth can handle.

The earth can handle everything. Virtually everything goes back to the earth over time.

Originally Posted by ZNP

I think we should be good stewards.

I agree.

Originally Posted by ZNP

We were assigned the responsibility of taking care of the Earth.

The problem is more like that we took responsibility to care for the earth. If we hadn't taken ourselves out of the food chain some 10,000 years ago, the population of human species would have remained balanced like all the rest of the species.

You'll like this one bro ZNP. If man had live only by his animal instincts, like all the rest of the critters, the population would have remained balanced. But something happened. We developed self consciousness and intelligence -- symbolized by the tree of knowledge of good and evil -- and took control, told God to screw off, that we'd no longer trust in His providing for sustenance, and would "TAKE" it away from Him. That was the birth of Totalitarian Agriculture. More food, more population. That's an evolutionary principle, that all the rest of the species live by.

Maybe that's why God rejected Cain's offering ... God didn't like Totalitarian Agriculture, as the Cains' "fruit of the ground" symbolism may represent (Gen 4:3).

Originally Posted by ZNP

It is our responsibility. If we fail it is essentially insignificant. The Earth has had 5 extinctions in the last 500 million years, this will be the 6th. That only refers to the last 500 million years, the Earth is 4.6 billion years. So in the grand scheme of things on Earth this would merely make the top 10. However, there are 8 planets in our solar system, very arrogant to think that they don't matter. Finally, from the grand prospective the Sun would have to be far more important than any planet. So as far as our solar system is concerned this climate change barely registers as an important event. Still there are a billion stars in our galaxy, so from the galaxies perspective it is completely insignificant.

Amen brother.

Check out The Power of Ten ... our insignificance in the universe will blow your mind:
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/f...f10/index.html

Hint: Let it run on auto at first. Pay attention to the banner at the top. When it's done you can run it, or play it backwards. Then you can control it.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

You'll like this one bro ZNP. If man had live only by his animal instincts, like all the rest of the critters, the population would have remained balanced. But something happened. We developed self consciousness and intelligence -- symbolized by the tree of knowledge of good and evil -- and took control, told God to screw off, that we'd no longer trust in His providing for sustenance, and would "TAKE" it away from Him. That was the birth of Totalitarian Agriculture. More food, more population. That's an evolutionary principle, that all the rest of the species live by.

Maybe that's why God rejected Cain's offering ... God didn't like Totalitarian Agriculture, as the Cains' "fruit of the ground" symbolism may represent (Gen 4:3).

It was the "tree of good and evil". Prior to that we didn't have this concept. Every tree, every animal had a place, a position, a function. After this certain crops were good and others were "weeds". Certain animals were valuable and others were "pests". This in turn is the tree of death. We developed herbicide and pesticide. We had to keep coming up with better and more ingenious ways to kill. How do we kill the "evil" plants. How do we kill the "evil" insects, the "evil" critters. This in turn has thrown the entire earth out of whack. Brazilian rainforest is burned down so that cows who are not native to Brazil can have a grassland for hamburgers. All of the empires turned their lands to deserts. I think it is pretty clear in hindsight that the "agricultural revolution" was lacking any vision or revelation from God. Cain is a good example of one who was devoid of God's word. Abel on the other hand understood from God's actions that we would need to be covered in skins. He read between the lines and began to be a shepherd. The reason the Judeao Chrstian religion spread across the globe was because we were shepherds and kept herds of animals. The resulting childhood diseases wiped out all the indigenous people. Why didn't they keep herds? There were no animals on their continents that were suitable to be domesticated. Perhaps that is the legacy of the flood and Noah preserving the animals in the boat, that may be why 18 out of 19 of the world's domesticated animals were in Mesopotamia. It may also be why so many large herbivores around the globe suddenly and without explanation went extinct about 10,000 years ago.

[zeek]

The dangerous cult of Donald Trump: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...06-story.html#

We were in the cult of Witness Lee. We should recognize the signs of a cult displayed by Trump and his followers and warn others.

[Ohio]

I agree with Donald Trump. Where's a little global warming when we need it.

It's so cold out there!

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I agree with Donald Trump. Where's a little global warming when we need it.

It's so cold out there!

Neither Trump nor you seem to know what climate is.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I agree with Donald Trump. Where's a little global warming when we need it.

It's so cold out there!

Is that supposed to be funny? I doubt those in Houston are laughing, or those in Puerto Rico or those in California. It is a comment from an ignoramus and is inexcusable for the President of the US.

"Climate" refers to the average temperature over 100 years or more. We are using averages from 10 or 20 years to depict changes and trends. An average has days that are above average and other days that are below average. Also, when you say "global" you are referring to the entire globe, not merely the US. At the exact same time that a large swath of the US has below average temperatures there are even larger swaths of the Globe that have above average temperatures. In the past 365 days in the US we have had 3.03 record hot days for every record low day. That by definition is climate change.

I am disgusted that Trump could make such an ignorant and inconsiderate comment at a time when many, many people in this country have lost their homes and the lives of their loved ones in catastrophic, climatic events.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

We were in the cult of Witness Lee. We should recognize the signs of a cult displayed by Obama and his followers and warn others.

I agree with you there. Have you not been mesmerized by the rock star status of BarryO? He is now hob-nobbing with royalty. The world cannot slurp enough of ole Hussein.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I agree with you there. Have you not been mesmerized by the rock star status of BarryO? He is now hob-nobbing with royalty. The world cannot slurp enough of ole Hussein.

You changed my words. How funny. I'm not uncritical of Obama or anybody else especially people who are in power. Lord Acton was right as history continues to show.