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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Brother ZNP, your experience is limited. And obviously you haven't been keeping up with Evangelicals and their support of Trump.

If I were you, I'd drop your defensiveness, and start with David Barton of The Wallbuilders. Then I'd look into Franklin Graham III, and Jerry Falwell Jr.. Cuz it's well known that over 80% of Evangelicals voted for Trump.

I get it. You're in the minority, and are shamed by that fact. That's why you are so defensive. If I considered myself to be a Evangelical I'd be defensive too. Thank God I'm not. Sorry for you. They're giving you a bad name.

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

70% of Americans identify as Christian

Approximately 1/3 of those who identify as Christian identify as Evangelical.

Approximately 1/5th of these Evangelical Christians are white. (https://www.religionnews.com/2017/09...s-study-shows/)

That means 1/15th of Christians in the US identify as “White Evangelical”. However, the criteria is even more specific including this concept of the US being a “christian nation”. Therefore, I find it quite reasonable to suggest we are talking about less than 5% of Christians in the US. That may be a large number, but remember, only 78% of that number supports Trump, so then we are really talking about 4% of Christians in the US.

Yet you take that article to smear all Evangelicals and all Christians.

That is the definition of using statistics to lie. Sorry for you.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yet you take that article to smear all Evangelicals and all Christians.

That is the definition of using statistics to lie. Sorry for you.

I know how much awareness likes Mark Twain, and you know what he said about statistics.

[Ohio]

Being a Native American Evangelical who supports Trump, I have no illusions that he is worthy to be my pastor. For me it's about policy, knowing that the alternative was far, far worse.

But since ZNP has brought up fake news, why is it that so many still hate Trump when one story after another has been debunked over time?

Remember last year "Russia, Russia, Russia?" Move along folks, nothing here to see.

The explanation for much of "Trump hate" has a lot to do with the endless lopsided smear campaign orchestrated by our media. Yesterday I watched a video clip of Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick, who were raped and molested by WJC. They were lied about, ridiculed, slandered, and had their reputations destroyed. By who? Every single media outlet except Fox. Yet today all these same outlets are showcasing Pornstars to attack Trump.

The media knows why they are all doing this. They are "meddling" with our next election by changing viewers minds. They are doing far more than Russia could ever hope to do.

ZNP says he only judges Trump on his own actions. But are not much of them just a retaliation for personal attacks? Neither Clinton nor Obama were ever assaulted like Trump has been, even Jimmy Carter admitted this, so we never got to see how they would act under such pressure.

Perhaps many of my other Native American Evangelicals also see thru the media lies.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Being a Native American Evangelical who supports Trump, I have no illusions that he is worthy to be my pastor. For me it's about policy, knowing that the alternative was far, far worse.

But since ZNP has brought up fake news, why is it that so many still hate Trump when one story after another has been debunked over time?

Remember last year "Russia, Russia, Russia?" Move along folks, nothing here to see.

The explanation for much of "Trump hate" has a lot to do with the endless lopsided smear campaign orchestrated by our media. Yesterday I watched a video clip of Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick, who were raped and molested by WJC. They were lied about, ridiculed, slandered, and had their reputations destroyed. By who? Every single media outlet except Fox. Yet today all these same outlets are showcasing Pornstars to attack Trump.

The media knows why they are all doing this. They are "meddling" with our next election by changing viewers minds. They are doing far more than Russia could ever hope to do.

ZNP says he only judges Trump on his own actions. But are not much of them just a retaliation for personal attacks? Neither Clinton nor Obama were ever assaulted like Trump has been, even Jimmy Carter admitted this, so we never got to see how they would act under such pressure.

Perhaps many of my other Native American Evangelicals also see thru the media lies.

Almost. Actually you're a Nativist American. Nativists champion the purported interests of American citizens over those of immigrants, justifying their hostility to immigrants by the use of derogatory stereotypes.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Almost. Actually you're a Nativist American. Nativists champion the purported interests of American citizens over those of immigrants, justifying their hostility to immigrants by the use of derogatory stereotypes.

Lots of errors here.

I am a Native American, I was born here. Born in Berea, OH, hence a Berean.

American citizens can be immigrants, and immigrants can be American citizens.

Nativists do NOT champion citizens over immigrants, but champion all law abiding residents over illegal immigrant criminals.

There's nothing hostile about standing up for law and order, protecting one's family and property, and desiring protected borders.

Your use of stereotypes is typical liberal progressive identity politics. If someone does not agree with your narrow views (hey what happened to free speech?) then you resort to prejudicial name-calling, and insist that they must be racist, xenophobic, hateful, misogynist, homophobic, etc.

Like I said, your post is riddled with errors. Like ZNP has stated repeatedly, you are seriously prone to slander.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Being a Native American Evangelical who supports Trump, I have no illusions that he is worthy to be my pastor. For me it's about policy, knowing that the alternative was far, far worse.

But since ZNP has brought up fake news, why is it that so many still hate Trump when one story after another has been debunked over time?

Remember last year "Russia, Russia, Russia?" Move along folks, nothing here to see.

The explanation for much of "Trump hate" has a lot to do with the endless lopsided smear campaign orchestrated by our media. Yesterday I watched a video clip of Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick, who were raped and molested by WJC. They were lied about, ridiculed, slandered, and had their reputations destroyed. By who? Every single media outlet except Fox. Yet today all these same outlets are showcasing Pornstars to attack Trump.

The media knows why they are all doing this. They are "meddling" with our next election by changing viewers minds. They are doing far more than Russia could ever hope to do.

ZNP says he only judges Trump on his own actions. But are not much of them just a retaliation for personal attacks? Neither Clinton nor Obama were ever assaulted like Trump has been, even Jimmy Carter admitted this, so we never got to see how they would act under such pressure.

Perhaps many of my other Native American Evangelicals also see thru the media lies.

I am currently reading a book about Hitler and I was struck by how his party was against democracy because they had no chance at winning by an election. Therefore they attacked Democracy as a western import, focused on returning to the glory days which also included rule by a king. Today what we see is an attempt to destroy discourse with wild attacks from both sides.

[Ohio]

Let's commend Trump for standing up for small businesses.

Shares of Amazon are under pressure, down 5.68% Wednesday morning, following a report President Donald Trump is eyeing legal means to go after the e-commerce behemoth.

Axios' Jonathan Swan says Trump believes Amazon is making life difficult for smaller, locally-owned retailers and wants to find a way to slow down its dominance in online retail. Amazon has repeatedly showed an ability to disrupt entire sectors with corporate announcements. While Trump has not yet decided on any measures, he is considering changing Amazon's tax status or taking the route of antitrust action, Swan's report said.

This isn't the first time Trump has set his sights on the retailer." Amazon is doing great damage to tax paying retailers," Trump tweeted in August. "Towns, cities and states throughout the U.S. are being hurt - many jobs being lost!"

Wednesday's selling comes after a rough day for tech stocks on Tuesday. The sector was slammed by news that the Trump administration was considering a crackdown on Chinese investments into US companies. Amazon shares are up 28% this year before Wednesday's losses.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I am currently reading a book about Hitler and I was struck by how his party was against democracy because they had no chance at winning by an election. Therefore they attacked Democracy as a western import, focused on returning to the glory days which also included rule by a king. Today what we see is an attempt to destroy discourse with wild attacks from both sides.

I'm a firm believer in the wisdom of the founding fathers, seen in the Constitution, with 3 equal but separate branches. The further we move from that foundation, the worse our problems get. At its core, the cultural battle we face between conservative and progressive factions, boils down to how far we move from our beginnings.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Being a Native American Evangelical who supports Trump, I have no illusions that he is worthy to be my pastor. For me it's about policy, knowing that the alternative was far, far worse.

I don't know about worse ... but not very good. And as far as policy, I know, I know, abortion and Israel. You'd vote for Satan if he promised those policies to you. Why? Cuz those are issues Jesus spent chapter after chapter on. His teaching against abortion was longer than the sermon on the mount. And the temple? Well he said he'd destroy it and rebuild it 2000 years later ... thru Trump.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

I don't know about worse ... but not very good. And as far as policy, I know, I know, abortion and Israel. You'd vote for Satan if he promised those policies to you. Why? Cuz those are issues Jesus spent chapter after chapter on. His teaching against abortion was longer than the sermon on the mount. And the temple? Well he said he'd destroy it and rebuild it 2000 years later ... thru Trump.

Your disdain for Israel and the unborn almost matches how you feel towards Christians and the Bible.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

I don't know about worse ... but not very good. And as far as policy, I know, I know, abortion and Israel. You'd vote for Satan if he promised those policies to you. Why? Cuz those are issues Jesus spent chapter after chapter on. His teaching against abortion was longer than the sermon on the mount. And the temple? Well he said he'd destroy it and rebuild it 2000 years later ... thru Trump.

I am not a fan of Trump but this is not a reasonable critique of his policies.

1. Some people like his SCOTUS appointment.

2. Some people like his emphasis on a strong military.

3. Perhaps his approach with N. Korea will be better, too early to tell. The previous approach was obviously ineffective.

4. I do not see any good reason to treat Israel as some kind of red headed step child. We put our embassy in the capital of other countries. Calling this some kind of radical Christian bias is just hypocrisy.

5. Abortion is a big issue for many of us, dismissing this is insulting.

6. $25 billion for a wall represents slightly more than 1/2 of 1% of the US government budget. Since this would go to pay US laborers and contractors The US govt would probably get 40% of this back in taxes in just the first year. Second, I don't see how anyone can dispute that this will make the Mexican border safer and easier to monitor. Therefore the only real issue is if it is worth the $12 billion price tag. If you spread that over 25 years you are talking about $500 million per year for the wall. That is about 1/6th of the annual budget for border security with Mexico each year. But it hardly seems like that big a deal. Perhaps in the final analysis they should only have built $20 billion of the wall. We'll find out in the end.

7. Also, I would not be surprised if in the final analysis his administration gets higher marks for the conflicts in the Middle East compared to Obama, Clinton and Bush.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

I don't know about worse ... but not very good. And as far as policy, I know, I know, abortion and Israel. You'd vote for Satan if he promised those policies to you. Why? Cuz those are issues Jesus spent chapter after chapter on. His teaching against abortion was longer than the sermon on the mount. And the temple? Well he said he'd destroy it and rebuild it 2000 years later ... thru Trump.

Why do you have so little concern for the lives of the most innocent and vulnerable of all? Why kind of cold-blooded psychopath could actually be an abortionist? We're not talking about a few random murders, but more than a million a year just in the US.

We are the only nation on earth who really cares about Israel. They are surrounded by enemies who hate them, and have repeatedly tried to exterminate them. Sure, the temple was destroyed in AD70, but that helped bring the Gospel to the nations. Do you have any idea how the Gospel has benefited all mankind? Somehow you think this world would be a better place without Jesus, the Bible, or the church. You ought to go to some third or fourth world country, and get a glimpse of life without the Gospel.

Romans 11.20-21 tells us "not to be high-minded, but to fear God. For if He did not spare Israel, the natural branches, broken off due to unbelief, neither will He spare you, the Gentile branches." The time is coming for Israel to be restored, and the Gentiles to be judged.

[Ohio]

How slow the wheels of justice turn ...

COLLUSION DELUSION: New Documents Show OBAMA Officials, FBI COORDINATED in Anti-Trump Probe

Documents obtained by congressional investigators suggest possible coordination by Obama White House officials, the CIA and the FBI into the investigation into President Donald Trump’s campaign. Those senior Obama officials used unsubstantiated evidence to launch allegations in the media that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia during the run-up to the 2016 presidential election, according to newly discovered documents and communications obtained by Congress.

[awareness]

Spanky's at it again. He promised Mexico would pay for the wall. We know what Mexico said to that.

Then the pubbies wouldn't fund it in the omnibill. Oh darn.

Then Spanky said the military got a lot of money in the omnibill, so they could pay for the wall. But congress would have to appropriate those funds. So fat chance for that.

Poor Spanky. No one wants to pay for the wall.

So Spanky started a Gofundme account.

Now, bro Ohio, who wants the wall, can pay for the wall.

Go Spanky.

[zeek]

Ohio and ZNP feel persecuted. Now here's a case where a child is actually reported to be persecuted for her Christian faith:

ABUJA, Nigeria — Leah Sharibu likes biology, hanging out with friends and wants to be a doctor. The 15-year-old who was among the group of schoolgirls kidnapped by Boko Haram last month is the only one still being held by the militants — because she refused to convert to Islam.

“My daughter is alive, but they wouldn't release her because she is a Christian,” her father Nathan Sharibu said Monday. “They told her they would release her if she converted, but she said she will never become a Muslim. I am very sad, but I am also overjoyed because my daughter did not denounce Christ.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ian/460554002/