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[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Sweet, this proves Trump is correct when he talks about "fake news". It better be fake, he paid for it.

If only the majority of Christian Evangelicals saw Trump as you do.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

If only the majority of Christian Evangelicals saw Trump as you do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg1Ty8GvBI4

This video from an interview with NBC makes the position very clear.

1. They did not support Trump when their were a number of Republicans in the field.

2. When they were forced to choose between Trump and Clinton they chose Trump.

3. Trump has followed through with his promises that he made to the Evangelicals.

4. If the allegations of impropriety are proven true that is a problem. However, as long as this negative behavior from the past stays in the past they can forgive it.

I feel that this is a valid position for Christians to take. My reasons for not supporting Trump are based on my background with the LRC and my concern over how bad a bad government can become.

Many believe that what opened the door to Hitler to get power was not support for Hitler but rather a concerted effort to undermine democracy. There is no doubt that this is what we see today in the US, a concerted effort to undermine democracy.

"The Nazis were able to seize power because a shrewd leadership was able to mobilize three essential power resources: the activism and violence of Nazi militants (discussed in the previous chapter), the votes of one-third of the German electorate, and the ambivalence of German elites concerning Weimar democracy." Fascists, by Michael Mann

"Hitler entered German democratic politics with the explicit agenda of destroying democracy." Crapitalism, Michael Faust

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Many believe that what opened the door to Hitler to get power was not support for Hitler but rather a concerted effort to undermine democracy. There is no doubt that this is what we see today in the US, a concerted effort to undermine democracy.

There you go on Hitler again.

But many view the Obama/Clinton/Progressive agenda as a concerted effort to undermine democracy. This point you got right.

Look at Comey. He is typical of top appointments under Obama. Clapper, Brennan, McCabe, Rosenstein, Ohr, Lynch, etc. all working in concert to undermine a democratically elected President by manipulating the Press.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

There you go on Hitler again.

But many view the Obama/Clinton/Progressive agenda as a concerted effort to undermine democracy. This point you got right.

Look at Comey. He is typical of top appointments under Obama. Clapper, Brennan, McCabe, Rosenstein, Ohr, Lynch, etc. all working in concert to undermine a democratically elected President by manipulating the Press.

Leftist and progressive ideologies are the worst as they have slaughted millions of people because of those ideologies. In our country they will sacrifice everything for the sake of their idealism. They are the most dangerous to the American way of life as we know it. In reality there is very little difference between communism and fascism. Every time a progressive liberal cites Hitler I immediately think of Stalin or Pol Pot. Hardly any daylight between them.

That is why the politicization of the intelligence apparatus is so dangerous. If they behave as revolutionaries toward an elected President they will pluck out ordinary citizens like an ear hair. Should be a concern for every American.

Drake

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Drake

Leftist and progressive ideologies are the worst as they have slaughted millions of people because of those ideologies. In our country they will sacrifice everything for the sake of their idealism. They are the most dangerous to the American way of life as we know it. In reality there is very little difference between communism and fascism. Every time a progressive liberal cites Hitler I immediately think of Stalin or Pol Pot. Hardly any daylight between them.

That is why the politicization of the intelligence apparatus is so dangerous. If they behave as revolutionaries toward an elected President they will pluck out ordinary citizens like an ear hair. Should be a concern for every American.

Drake

Not just progressive liberals. I think when it comes to "manipulating the Press" you have to cite Sean Hannity and his attempt to blast the warrant on Cohen without disclosing that he was a client.

There are four basic principles for journalistic integrity and ethics. One of these four is to act independently:

– Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived. Disclose unavoidable conflicts.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Leftist and progressive ideologies are the worst as they have slaughted millions of people because of those ideologies. In our country they will sacrifice everything for the sake of their idealism. They are the most dangerous to the American way of life as we know it. In reality there is very little difference between communism and fascism. Every time a progressive liberal cites Hitler I immediately think of Stalin or Pol Pot. Hardly any daylight between them.

That is why the politicization of the intelligence apparatus is so dangerous. If they behave as revolutionaries toward an elected President they will pluck out ordinary citizens like an ear hair. Should be a concern for every American.

Drake

Yet by using the Press to mock and demonize the President 24/7, many (like our other beloved posters here) view his "assassination" as the greater good, and thus the death of democracy, and the rule of law.

I view left and right, not as directions on a line, but as directions on a circle. If you keep going in either direction, they both meet on the other side of the circle and appear indistinguishable. Hence Antifa and the KKK have much in common, with both denying the rights of those they oppose.

Case in point was Charlottesville. Antifa on the left became heroes and the Alt-right villainous, when in reality they both were motivated by hatred and intolerance, justifying violence, and became indistinguishable. Both sides were to be condemned, and btw there definitely was "good people on both sides." At least a few of each.

But the liberal Press spun the narrative, deceiving the entire nation, and once again demonized Trump, with the deceived claiming the Press is absolutely fair and unbiased.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Yet by using the Press to mock and demonize the President 24/7, many (like our other beloved posters here) view his "assassination" as the greater good, and thus the death of democracy, and the rule of law.

I view left and right, not as directions on a line, but as directions on a circle. If you keep going in either direction, they both meet on the other side of the circle and appear indistinguishable. Hence Antifa and the KKK have much in common, with both denying the rights of those they oppose.

Case in point was Charlottesville. Antifa on the left became heroes and the Alt-right villainous, when in reality they both were motivated by hatred and intolerance, justifying violence, and became indistinguishable. Both sides were to be condemned, and btw there definitely was "good people on both sides." At least a few of each.

But the liberal Press spun the narrative, deceiving the entire nation, and once again demonized Trump, with the deceived claiming the Press is absolutely fair and unbiased.

Insightful.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

"Hitler entered German democratic politics with the explicit agenda of destroying democracy." Crapitalism, Michael Faust

Trump with his attacks on the freedom of the media and the independent judiciary appears to have an implicit agenda of destroying democracy. Of course, several posters here have denied that America is a democracy. So I suppose in their minds there's no democracy to destroy. The idea that the USA is a democratic republic is apparently to complicated for them. It has to be one or the other.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Trump with his attacks on the freedom of the media and the independent judiciary appears to have an implicit agenda of destroying democracy. Of course, several posters here have denied that America is a democracy. So I suppose in their minds there's no democracy to destroy. The idea that the USA is a democratic republic is apparently to complicated for them. It has to be one or the other.

I thought the US was a constitutional republic, run by republicans.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I thought the US was a constitutional republic, run by republicans.

It is. It's also a democracy in the sense of government by the people, exercised through elected representatives.