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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

And you don't ask why so many football players, basketball players, etc., etc., don't want to go to the Whitehouse?

Whatever happened to democracy, representing the people? Yes, these athletes represent a complete mix of our society, but all of them are rich, every single one, and as a result they tend to be more conservative and more republican than their age and race would suggest.

You have the need to say "cheesy"? The cheesiest thing was that pathetic celebration Trump had. The only people who actually kneeled during the national anthem took place during his Whitehouse celebration.

He is an embarrassment.

The Eagles and their owner are the embarrassment -- deceptive at every turn. I'm sure the Secret Service has advised Trump never to participate with such a group of anti-American haters -- how could they protect him from an attack?

Your comment proves how the Democratic Party is the party of the rich, but not as you say "more Republican." Isn't it becoming hard for you to manipulate the facts around a false narrative? Don't the statistical facts tell us that the rich from the wealthy states are far more apt to be Liberals? And the poor working men and women are more apt to be conservative?

Representing the people? How about a fair and honest Press. Obviously these rich, coastline, millennial athletes have been influenced by negative Press, 95% of which is skewed to smear the President. Why don't you fact check some of their distortions? Why do you discard your forensics training when it comes to the media?

Have you ever looked into the so-called underlying protest movement concerning the National Anthem? Have you any idea how many lies, distortions, and deceptions are promulgated to maintain this false narrative? "White cops targeting innocent black men" has no basis in reality -- but who cares -- because nearly all professional football and basketball players have swallowed this fiction.

How do you justify all your hatred with the Lord's command to love even your enemies? And Paul's instructions to pray for our leaders?

I hear a lot of backlash against evangelical Christians, but I saw much more prayer from them concerning Obama, than I see in your hatred coming from Liberals towards Trump.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The Eagles and their owner are the embarrassment -- deceptive at every turn. I'm sure the Secret Service has advised Trump never to participate with such a group of anti-American haters -- how could they protect him from an attack?

Anti American? I am pretty sure that the NFL is American (don't know of any other country to even try this sport other than Canada) and the Superbowl winners are the standard bearer of this very american sport.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Your comment proves how the Democratic Party is the party of the rich, but not as you say "more Republican." Isn't it becoming hard for you to manipulate the facts around a false narrative? Don't the statistical facts tell us that the rich from the wealthy states are far more apt to be Liberals? And the poor working men and women are more apt to be conservative?

My comment didn't "prove" anything. It was anecdotal so at best it illustrated the point that these are Americans who are happy with America, they have done extremely well for themselves in this country, went to college, have extremely profitable careers and are successful. If you had 80 people in a prison who were angry with the President that wouldn't besmirch the President's reputation, but the fact that all of these people don't want to be honored at the White house, that is telling.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Representing the people? How about a fair and honest Press. Obviously these rich, coastline, millennial athletes have been influenced by negative Press, 95% of which is skewed to smear the President. Why don't you fact check some of their distortions? Why do you discard your forensics training when it comes to the media?

That is insulting. Anyone who disagrees with you has been hoodwinked. Once you take that position it is no longer possible to have a reasonable conversation.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Have you ever looked into the so-called underlying protest movement concerning the National Anthem? Have you any idea how many lies, distortions, and deceptions are promulgated to maintain this false narrative? "White cops targeting innocent black men" has no basis in reality -- but who cares -- because nearly all professional football and basketball players have swallowed this fiction.

Yes I have and I disagree with what they are doing. I disagree that this is a matter of free speech because I have no issue with them saying this in a tweet or through other avenues, but I feel it makes them look like spoiled brats to be making millions of dollars playing this game and then using the platform of the NFL game to make their protest. I also have no issue with the owners not hiring these guys who protested. The idea that they can protest as long as it doesn't cost them anything is anathema. That said, this had absolutely nothing to do with that protest. It has been pointed out repeatedly that the Eagles never once had any member kneeling during the Anthem. So Trump tweeting that this is the issue is nothing but "fake news" and another example of his lies.

Originally Posted by Ohio

How do you justify all your hatred with the Lord's command to love even your enemies? And Paul's instructions to pray for our leaders?

I hear a lot of backlash against evangelical Christians, but I saw much more prayer from them concerning Obama, than I see in your hatred coming from Liberals towards Trump.

Hatred? Because I said he is an embarrassment? You are confusing your emotions. Ashamed of him, yes. Hate him, no. Pray for him, yes. Excuse his bad behavior and repeat his lies, no.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Anti American? I am pretty sure that the NFL is American (don't know of any other country to even try this sport other than Canada) and the Superbowl winners are the standard bearer of this very american sport.

Let me explain this to the willfully ignorant. Of course the sport of football and the NFL is American, but you obfuscate these facts with a handful of players who disrespect our flag, our anthem, our military, our nation, and the fans who pay so much money to watch the game.

It's not that complicated. You're a smart guy. Take a few days off to figure it out.

And let me remind you that this whole movement was initiated by Nessa Diab, the very progressive and pretty Muslam radio host girlfriend of Colin Kapernick. Amazing what she has done to a formerly Christian athlete.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Let me explain this to the willfully ignorant. Of course the sport of football and the NFL is American, but you obfuscate these facts with a handful of players who disrespect our flag, our anthem, our military, our nation,

That is not what they are doing and you know it.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

That is not what they are doing and you know it.

What do I know about who doing what???

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

What do I know about who doing what???

Exactly ....

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Let me explain this to the willfully ignorant. Of course the sport of football and the NFL is American, but you obfuscate these facts with a handful of players who disrespect our flag, our anthem, our military, our nation, and the fans who pay so much money to watch the game.

It's not that complicated. You're a smart guy. Take a few days off to figure it out.

And let me remind you that this whole movement was initiated by Nessa Diab, the very progressive and pretty Muslam radio host girlfriend of Colin Kapernick. Amazing what she has done to a formerly Christian athlete.

I agree that a there are a few players who did not think out their protest very well and instead of focusing on the issue they are concerned with their lame protest was seen as a blanket disrespect for the flag, anthem, military and nation.

But none of those players is on the Philadelphia Eagles. Claiming that this is the reason to cancel the celebration is, how did you say it, "willfully ignorant".

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I agree that a there are a few players who did not think out their protest very well and instead of focusing on the issue they are concerned with their lame protest was seen as a blanket disrespect for the flag, anthem, military and nation.

But none of those players is on the Philadelphia Eagles. Claiming that this is the reason to cancel the celebration is, how did you say it, "willfully ignorant".

They are American sports players, in the land of the free. They are free to honor or not honor whatever they want. The president nor anyone else has a right to tell them what to do and not do.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

They are American sports players, in the land of the free. They are free to honor or not honor whatever they want. The president nor anyone else has a right to tell them what to do and not do.

Our first amendment rights to assembly and free speech DO NOT occur at our jobs. The President is a citizen and a sports consumer so he definitely has a right to express his opinion.

Is that too hard to understand?

Show me one another place of employment that allows its employees to offend its customers with political statements about our national anthem, our flag, our military, etc?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

They are American sports players, in the land of the free. They are free to honor or not honor whatever they want. The president nor anyone else has a right to tell them what to do and not do.

Yes, that is true. But if they are free, then so are the owners to hire them or not. The complaint that they have to hire these players is really pathetic.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yes, that is true. But if they are free, then so are the owners to hire them or not. The complaint that they have to hire these players is really pathetic.

What a breath of fresh air seeing a little common sense on this thread!


Yeah Z!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yes, that is true. But if they are free, then so are the owners to hire them or not. The complaint that they have to hire these players is really pathetic.

So then the players can decide if their cause is worth losing that big paycheck or not.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I agree that a there are a few players who did not think out their protest very well and instead of focusing on the issue they are concerned with their lame protest was seen as a blanket disrespect for the flag, anthem, military and nation.

But none of those players is on the Philadelphia Eagles. Claiming that this is the reason to cancel the celebration is, how did you say it, "willfully ignorant".

Apparently you have not read up on the games the Eagles were playing with the White House. They requested their special visit be rescheduled during the the Singapore Summit. Do you understand that when the White House invites you over, perhaps it is you who must change your schedule to accommodate? To change the WH schedule affects hundreds or thousands of staff and security, not to mention NoKo.

White House: ‘Vast Majority’ of Philadelphia Eagles Abandoned Fans

Sorry but your info is just plain wrong. I suppose you got it from a fake news network.

Report: Nick Foles Was the Only Eagle Going to the White House

You keep saying the Eagles did not protest. Sure they did. Look at the fists.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Apparently you have not read up on the games the Eagles were playing with the White House. They requested their special visit be rescheduled during the the Singapore Summit. Do you understand that when the White House invites you over, perhaps it is you who must change your schedule to accommodate? To change the WH schedule affects hundreds or thousands of staff and security, not to mention NoKo.

White House: ‘Vast Majority’ of Philadelphia Eagles Abandoned Fans

Sorry but your info is just plain wrong. I suppose you got it from a fake news network.

Report: Nick Foles Was the Only Eagle Going to the White House

You keep saying the Eagles did not protest. Sure they did. Look at the fists.

So what, don't reschedule, a few people show up, then it is on the Eagles.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

So what, don't reschedule, a few people show up, then it is on the Eagles.

Did you read that article?

Only Nick Foles planned to go.

It was just a "game" from the beginning ...

And the end for me.