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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The link didn't work for me, but I did see on the news about the antifa mob and the pro Trump mob facing off and that the antifa protest was in response to the Trump rally.

Here you called the Trump rally a "mob" but referred to the real antifa mob -- now with hundreds of attacks on citizens in public eateries -- as protests, as if those are normal 1A actions.

Namcy Pelosi and Maxine Waters have incited their base to violent protest. The recent breakfast attack in Philly on Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk shows that the Left is now using orchestrated social media in all the major cities to target and harass conservatives.

Whether you like it or not, this culture war is forcing everyone to choose sides.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Here you called the Trump rally a "mob" but referred to the real antifa mob -- now with hundreds of attacks on citizens in public eateries -- as protests, as if those are normal 1A actions.

Namcy Pelosi and Maxine Waters have incited their base to violent protest. The recent breakfast attack in Philly on Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk shows that the Left is now using orchestrated social media in all the major cities to target and harass conservatives.

Whether you like it or not, this culture war is forcing everyone to choose sides.

I see your error in logic here. Referring to a Trump "mob" does not logically equate to support for Antifa, though the mistake might have been understandable had the quote not also referred to the Antifa as a "mob" as well.

Logically speaking you cannot possibly be offended by the reference to the "Trump mob" and then at the same time logically equate my reference to the Antifa mob as support.

The definition of mob is -- a large crowd of people, especially one that is disorderly and intent on causing trouble or violence.

Yes, it is fair to say that many of Trump's rallies do not fit that description, but you cannot possibly say that they all don't. Especially the ones with maniacs driving their car through the protesters.

Nor can you claim that they are simply "bad apples" that do not represent Trump when He is calling for people at his rallies to violently attack protesters with the promise of paying their legal bills.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I see your error in logic here. Referring to a Trump "mob" does not logically equate to support for Antifa, though the mistake might have been understandable had the quote not also referred to the Antifa as a "mob" as well.

Logically speaking you cannot possibly be offended by the reference to the "Trump mob" and then at the same time logically equate my reference to the Antifa mob as support.

The definition of mob is -- a large crowd of people, especially one that is disorderly and intent on causing trouble or violence.

Yes, it is fair to say that many of Trump's rallies do not fit that description, but you cannot possibly say that they all don't. Especially the ones with maniacs driving their car through the protesters.

Nor can you claim that they are simply "bad apples" that do not represent Trump when He is calling for people at his rallies to violently attack protesters with the promise of paying their legal bills.

It seems that the posters here cannot distinguish between a "Trump rally" and a "Trump mob." It's all playing with words.

Let me suggest that a "mob" will not be confined to a rally auditorium, rather will be on the streets often with masked men, weapons, and violence.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It seems that the posters here cannot distinguish between a "Trump rally" and a "Trump mob." It's all playing with words.

Let me suggest that a "mob" will not be confined to a rally auditorium, rather will be on the streets often with masked men, weapons, and violence.

Takes for the lesson bro Ohio, but I was talking about the frenzy.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Takes for the lesson bro Ohio, but I was talking about the frenzy.

Frenzy? Hardly!

Frenzy means "a state or period of uncontrolled excitement or wild behavior." It's not just excitement, but uncontrolled excitement.

I have never seen a Trump rally reach the level of an NFL game. I went to one in 2010 and almost lost my life to some crazy drunks.

You obviously are persuaded by media biased reporting. They used to condemn Tea Party rallies as "frenzied, uncontrolled, dangerous, etc." yet when it was all over, there was even very little litter on the ground.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It seems that the posters here cannot distinguish between a "Trump rally" and a "Trump mob." It's all playing with words.

Let me suggest that a "mob" will not be confined to a rally auditorium, rather will be on the streets often with masked men, weapons, and violence.

Fine, the white supremacist rallies for Trump and the KKK support for Trump would then fall under your definition for a "Trump mob". The post in question that you quoted was in fact based on that context. The pro Trump mob was outside, and involved a car running over protesters, unconfined, on the street, with weapons and violence.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Fine, the white supremacist rallies for Trump and the KKK support for Trump would then fall under your definition for a "Trump mob". The post in question that you quoted was in fact based on that context. The pro Trump mob was outside, and involved a car running over protesters, unconfined, on the street, with weapons and violence.

I hate these neo-KKK types, but that city gave them a permit to protest.

Antifa showed up to fight. Should have just ignored the KKK's. Who were they hurting? If ANTIFA comes to fight, they bear the brunt of the responsibility and should not be endorsed by the Press or you.

Today, the biggest danger we have is not these KKK's, but the ANTIFA's. ANTIFA attacked the Portland Patriot Prayer rally. Once we allow ANTIFA to shutdown speakers on the Berkley campus or a Prayer in Portland rally, what good are our 1st Amendment rights to free speech?

No, my friend, the violence we have today is one-sided. Just look at who is wearing the masks.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I hate these neo-KKK types, but that city gave them a permit to protest.

Antifa showed up to fight. Should have just ignored the KKK's. Who were they hurting? If ANTIFA comes to fight, they bear the brunt of the responsibility and should not be endorsed by the Press or you.

Today, the biggest danger we have is not these KKK's, but the ANTIFA's. ANTIFA attacked the Portland Patriot Prayer rally. Once we allow ANTIFA to shutdown speakers on the Berkley campus or a Prayer in Portland rally, what good are our 1st Amendment rights to free speech?

No, my friend, the violence we have today is one-sided. Just look at who is wearing the masks.

Once again, you are right, proving the point.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Hard to find violence on the right.

Terrorists inspired by Nationalist and Right Wing ideology have killed about 10 times as many people as Left Wing terrorists since 1992. https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi.../#12c463ba1e74

"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

He says the numbers between the groups don't compare.

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.
https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/53325...iolence-rising

Violence has been ratcheting up on all sides during white supremacist rallies in recent months — but "antifa" is not planning the rallies, and statistically poses a lesser danger.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/...ually-violent/

"US government data revealed a long record of homicides inspired by Far Right extremism: 106 people died in 62 attacks from 2001 to the end of 2016. Far Left groups over that same period caused no fatalities." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziZNro3uric

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Here you called the Trump rally a "mob" but referred to the real antifa mob -- now with hundreds of attacks on citizens in public eateries -- as protests, as if those are normal 1A actions.

Namcy Pelosi and Maxine Waters have incited their base to violent protest. The recent breakfast attack in Philly on Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk shows that the Left is now using orchestrated social media in all the major cities to target and harass conservatives.

Whether you like it or not, this culture war is forcing everyone to choose sides.

I've only seen you condemn violence when it comes from the Left and condone it when it occurs on the Right. So it seems you have taken your own advise and chosen a side.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

I've only seen you condemn violence when it comes from the Left and condone it when it occurs on the Right. So it seems you have taken your own advise and chosen a side.

Hard to find violence on the right.

Violence on the campus from antifa shuts down conservatives -- as planned, violating 1A right to free speech -- so that nearly all universities now control the speech their students can hear.

Recent protests in Portland were leftist violence.

Maxine's call for public harassment continues in all major cities. The left has developed social media sites to gather forces whenever a conservative is seen in public.

Trump's cabinet and staff all require security due to continued threats of violence. Sarah Sanders' liberal in-laws were even accosted at a second restaurant even after she went home.

But I'm sure you can find a few conservatives who get out of control. You can then justify thousands of cases of harassment and violence against conservatives with that one loudmouth that got punched at a Trump rally.

Is it too hard for you to see the difference between Trump supporters at a Trump rally shouting at CNN's Acosta, and dozens of progressives throwing water and shouting thru bullhorns at Candace Owens eating in a Philly breakfast joint?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

I've only seen you condemn violence when it comes from the Left and condone it when it occurs on the Right. So it seems you have taken your own advise and chosen a side.

Plus, by taking a anti antifa position, means you're talking a pro-Alt-right position ... and they've got White Supremacists, nationalists, and the KKK and Neo-Nazi's.

I don't support violence on either side, but I also don't support the White Race thing.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Namcy Pelosi and Maxine Waters have incited their base to violent protest. The recent breakfast attack in Philly on Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk shows that the Left is now using orchestrated social media in all the major cities to target and harass conservatives.

Whether you like it or not, this culture war is forcing everyone to choose sides.

I haven't chosen a side. I condemn Maxine Waters for her comments that were inflammatory and incendiary. I have condemned Antifa for acting like a mob and not standing on righteousness. I have condemned Trump for inciting his crowds to violence and promising to pay legal fees for people who attack protesters.

I do not agree that you fight fire with fire, nor do I agree that you fight fire with gasoline. Donald Trump uses gasoline, Maxine Waters stupidly tried to "fight fire with fire". Neither is standing on righteousness.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I haven't chosen a side. I condemn Maxine Waters for her comments that were inflammatory and incendiary. I have condemned Antifa for acting like a mob and not standing on righteousness. I have condemned Trump for inciting his crowds to violence and promising to pay legal fees for people who attack protesters.

I do not agree that you fight fire with fire, nor do I agree that you fight fire with gasoline. Donald Trump uses gasoline, Maxine Waters stupidly tried to "fight fire with fire". Neither is standing on righteousness.

Good post. I agree with everything you said except that I don't condemn those people. I just oppose, and don't support or go along with their actions when they incite or participate in or act out violence.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Good post. I agree with everything you said except that I don't condemn those people. I just oppose, and don't support or go along with their actions when they incite or participate in or act out violence.

Fair enough, condemn the action, not the person.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I haven't chosen a side. I condemn Maxine Waters for her comments that were inflammatory and incendiary. I have condemned Antifa for acting like a mob and not standing on righteousness. I have condemned Trump for inciting his crowds to violence and promising to pay legal fees for people who attack protesters.

I do not agree that you fight fire with fire, nor do I agree that you fight fire with gasoline. Donald Trump uses gasoline, Maxine Waters stupidly tried to "fight fire with fire". Neither is standing on righteousness.

I too condemn Trump's comments in that one rally. But where did Trump "incite his crowds to violence?" Gross exaggerations are falsehoods too, eh?

How about we also compare the amount of violence on both sides.

We had one guy punched at a Trump rally. Isn't this almost expected? If I went to a Democratic rally shouting epithets at the speakers and the attendants, I would expect some to get upset with me. If I got hurt, it would be my own damn fault. Make sense?

We have hundreds of conservatives whose lives are now endangered. They are not at rallies, they are in public spaces. Conservatives need a security entourage to speak on universities.

I don't see how you can compare what is happening with "fairness."

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I too condemn Trump's comments in that one rally. But where did Trump "incite his crowds to violence?" Gross exaggerations are falsehoods too, eh?

How about we also compare the amount of violence on both sides.

We had one guy punched at a Trump rally. Isn't this almost expected? If I went to a Democratic rally shouting epithets at the speakers and the attendants, I would expect some to get upset with me. If I got hurt, it would be my own damn fault. Make sense?

We have hundreds of conservatives whose lives are now endangered. They are not at rallies, they are in public spaces. Conservatives need a security entourage to speak on universities.

I don't see how you can compare what is happening with "fairness."

You are right, which proves the point.