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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Put your thinking cap on brother. Trump has called 'em animals. It's an old motif. Demonizing those that aren't in our tribe is how we keep them out. In other words, we have to depict them as subhuman ... and even keep their children in cages like animals.

This one post seems to characterize all I have been saying about fake news media and the progressives who drink their Kool-Aid. You don't think about what they tell you, rather look down at conservatives as thought-less followers of Trump who need to put on their "thinking cap."

• Obama put these children in "cages," yet no one said a word
• The media had pics of these cages in 2014, yet kept silent
• The media used this pic to smear Trump, and you believed it
• Media acts like this policy started under Trump
• Media smears Trump every day inciting antifa groups to action
• Why not, since Obama was your savior and Trump is Hitler

Secondly ...

• Obama opened the borders allowing unvetted MS-13 gangs to spread like wildfire
• The media keeps quiet about criminal activities of illegal immigrants
• The media promotes sanctuary cities as "real love"
• But no "real love" for citizen victims like Kate Steinle
• Trump highlights the dangers of these policies, citing the need for border security
• Discussing the dangers, Trump calls tatted MS-13 gang members "animals"
• Media distorts his word, saying Trump calls all immigrants "animals"
• You believe these media lies and keep gulping the Kool-Aid
• You then join in to condemn all Trump supporters with the same lies inventing new words like "subhuman"

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This one post seems to characterize all I have been saying about fake news media and the progressives who drink their Kool-Aid. You don't think about what they tell you, rather look down at conservatives as thought-less followers of Trump who need to put on their "thinking cap."

• Obama put these children in "cages," yet no one said a word
• The media had pics of these cages in 2014, yet kept silent
• The media used this pic to smear Trump, and you believed it
• Media acts like this policy started under Trump
• Media smears Trump every day inciting antifa groups to action
• Why not, since Obama was your savior and Trump is Hitler

Secondly ...

• Obama opened the borders allowing unvetted MS-13 gangs to spread like wildfire
• The media keeps quiet about criminal activities of illegal immigrants
• The media promotes sanctuary cities as "real love"
• But no "real love" for citizen victims like Kate Steinle
• Trump highlights the dangers of these policies, citing the need for border security
• Discussing the dangers, Trump calls tatted MS-13 gang members "animals"
• Media distorts his word, saying Trump calls all immigrants "animals"
• You believe these media lies and keep gulping the Kool-Aid
• You then join in to condemn all Trump supporters with the same lies inventing new words like "subhuman"

Goodness! I guess I struck a nerve.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Goodness! I guess I struck a nerve.

What a copout.

Put your thinking cap on and address the facts.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

What a copout.

Put your thinking cap on and address the facts.

Are you talking about the MAGA cap?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

[*]Obama opened the borders allowing unvetted MS-13 gangs to spread like wildfire[*]The media keeps quiet about criminal activities of illegal immigrants

It seems to me everything hinges on these two points.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...sa-since-1990/

According to the national average we had around 458 violent offenses per 100,000 people when Obama first became president and in his last year that was down close to 386. That is a decrease of 16% in 8 years which follows the trend of the last 25 years. So it doesn't seem to make any sense to say that "gangs spread like wildfire" when Obama was president.

Likewise one main reason everyone is talking about gang violence is that the media does cover it. The second reason is that organized crime has been severely crippled due to a variety of forensic tools we didn't have 30 or 40 years ago. Gangs are basically kids, no one is getting to the "wise guy" level, much less the Don level anymore. The reason we talk about the "Cartels" is that you have to go to the third world to find organized crime on that level anymore.

[awareness]

=Ohio]Namcy Pelosi and Maxine Waters have incited their base to violent protest.

I know. They've got 'em worked up into a real granny-get-yer-gun frenzy. Almost like a Trump rally.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

It seems to me everything hinges on these two points.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...sa-since-1990/

According to the national average we had around 458 violent offenses per 100,000 people when Obama first became president and in his last year that was down close to 386. That is a decrease of 16% in 8 years which follows the trend of the last 25 years. So it doesn't seem to make any sense to say that "gangs spread like wildfire" when Obama was president.

Likewise one main reason everyone is talking about gang violence is that the media does cover it. The second reason is that organized crime has been severely crippled due to a variety of forensic tools we didn't have 30 or 40 years ago. Gangs are basically kids, no one is getting to the "wise guy" level, much less the Don level anymore. The reason we talk about the "Cartels" is that you have to go to the third world to find organized crime on that level anymore.

In this regard both sides highlight the kind of violence which they use to fear monger. The left uses school violence to promote gun control. The right uses terrorism by illegal immigrants to protect the borders.

I have concerns with both extremes. One of the necessary evils of our society is the excessive police presence and invasion of our civil liberties. Without a doubt there are trigger happy and abusive police who seem to get away with murder.

Yet what has happened to Chicago is liberal policies run rampant. I heard a debate last night with two black leaders discussing the violence there. One called for increased 4th amendment protections, the other called for increased police presence. Chicago's mayor seems to believe that the violence is unavoidable -- just so that no one's "rights" are violated.