The Mormon Church is "The Church"?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

So Drake, do you agree with your comrade Mr. E? Were Luther, Zwingli, Calvin et al simply putting "lipstick on a pig"?

Yes or No.
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YES.

As defined in Post #18.

Drake

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Drake

YES.

As defined in Post #18.

Drake

So Drake and Evangelical, do you think I'm in a pig movement?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Kevin

So Drake and Evangelical, do you think I'm in a pig movement?

The metaphorical “pig” refers to the Catholic Church.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

The metaphorical “pig” refers to the Catholic Church.

Few would dispute your depiction of the Catholic Church as a "pig." Even the Lord Jesus referred to some as swine or pigs. (Mt 7.6)

Thus E's comment "putting makeup on a pig" insinuates that nothing of biblical value and spiritual reality characterized the reformers nor existed in the reformation movement. All of their work could be characterized as "lipstick."

History overwhelming informs us that these Reformers changed the course of Western civilization, ending an entire millennium of what is called the "dark ages." Think about how little impact the "Recovery" has had, and perhaps saying that the LCM is merely "makeup on a moo cow" is too generous.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Kevin

So Drake and Evangelical, do you think I'm in a pig movement?

No, not at all. But it is a movement responsible for persecuting the independent churches.

See "THE DEFICIENCY OF THE REFORMATION" by Watchman Nee

Luther came out of Babylon but did not enter Jerusalem. He thought politics could help the church. Likewise, Calvin aligned the church and the state, and then persecuted heretics.

Calvin did not practice Sola Scriptura - he believed in a state church, persecution of perceived heresy, and infant baptism - these are Catholic ideas.

The Reformed churches (Lutheran, English ) look like Catholic churches in many ways.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

No, not at all. But it is a movement responsible for persecuting the independent churches.

See "THE DEFICIENCY OF THE REFORMATION" by Watchman Nee

Luther came out of Babylon but did not enter Jerusalem. He thought politics could help the church. Likewise, Calvin aligned the church and the state, and then persecuted heretics.

Calvin did not practice Sola Scriptura - he believed in a state church, persecution of perceived heresy, and infant baptism - these are Catholic ideas.

The Reformed churches (Lutheran, English ) look like Catholic churches in many ways.

Historical revisionism by Mr. E.

How about we change the title of this forum to "THE DEFICIENCY OF THE RECOVERY?"

And the recovery looks much like the Catholic Church in so many ways:

• Headed by a MOTA much like the Pope
  Ruled by Blendeds much like the Cardinals
  Like a Monsignor, many LC's are administered by a LSM worker
  Elders in name only, actually rule like parish priests
  Daily readings in HWFMR like the Catholic Missal
  Meeting content the same all over the world
  One centralized publishing house for entire church
  Deformed practices of oneness like the RCC
  Quarantine dissenters like the heretics of old

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Historical revisionism by Mr. E.

How about we change the title of this forum to "THE DEFICIENCY OF THE RECOVERY?"

And the recovery looks much like the Catholic Church in so many ways:

• Headed by a MOTA much like the Pope
  Ruled by Blendeds much like the Cardinals
  Like a Monsignor, many LC's are administered by a LSM worker
  Elders in name only, actually rule like parish priests
  Daily readings in HWFMR like the Catholic Missal
  Meeting content the same all over the world
  One centralized publishing house for entire church
  Deformed practices of oneness like the RCC
  Quarantine dissenters like the heretics of old

Right on points bro Ohio.

When Mel Porter told me that I had to take his personality as my own, the whole point, that I had to agree to without questioning, was that, Lee was the one and only apostle on the earth, I said, "Well brother Mel, that looks like the Roman Catholic Church to me, with Lee as our Pope."

His response was, "Well brother, it's the way of life."

Get that. RCC Pope = death. LSM/LCM Pope = life.

I didn't see life. I didn't see taking someone else's personality as life. I didn't see Pope Lee as life.

The whole thing folded like a house or cards. I had no choice but to leave it behind. Thank God.

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by awareness

Right on points bro Ohio.

When Mel Porter told me that I had to take his personality as my own, the whole point, that I had to agree to without questioning, was that, Lee was the one and only apostle on the earth, I said, "Well brother Mel, that looks like the Roman Catholic Church to me, with Lee as our Pope."

My response to finding that out was similar, Awareness.....when I heard the MOTA junk, and the one publication junk, I was revulsed instantly and thoroughly....I know it was the Holy Spirit within....elevation of this man Lee....this makes me angry.....how dare they glorify Lee.....I am just sick of the silent, unspoken reverence for a man and his 'way'....that was it for me.

[aron]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

I could see all the problems and faults of the RCC system, and the glaring missteps of the SDA church, but was so blind to 'my' cult....why? How could I not see what I now see?

The LC resembles the RCC and LDS in that The Church is their end-all and be-all. At least Luther and Wesley got that right - salvation is through faith in the name of Jesus Christ, not loyalty to the Hive.

Christianity's not the problem or the solution. Sin is the problem and believing in the name of Jesus is the solution.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

My response to finding that out was similar, Awareness.....when I heard the MOTA junk, and the one publication junk, I was revulsed instantly and thoroughly....I know it was the Holy Spirit within....elevation of this man Lee....this makes me angry.....how dare they glorify Lee.....I am just sick of the silent, unspoken reverence for a man and his 'way'....that was it for me.

It was indeed by his mercy ...

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

My response to finding that out was similar, Awareness.....when I heard the MOTA junk, and the one publication junk, I was revulsed instantly and thoroughly....I know it was the Holy Spirit within....elevation of this man Lee....this makes me angry.....how dare they glorify Lee.....I am just sick of the silent, unspoken reverence for a man and his 'way'....that was it for me.

Which explains how your friend can love you one day, and then suddenly abandon you the next -- all because you can't haul your family 30 miles to their meeting.

I would bet that your friend was abruptly instructed by her "elder" not to invest her time in you or your children -- "not good material for their building."

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Historical revisionism by Mr. E.

How about we change the title of this forum to "THE DEFICIENCY OF THE RECOVERY?"

And the recovery looks much like the Catholic Church in so many ways:

• Headed by a MOTA much like the Pope
  Ruled by Blendeds much like the Cardinals
  Like a Monsignor, many LC's are administered by a LSM worker
  Elders in name only, actually rule like parish priests
  Daily readings in HWFMR like the Catholic Missal
  Meeting content the same all over the world
  One centralized publishing house for entire church
  Deformed practices of oneness like the RCC
  Quarantine dissenters like the heretics of old

And irony of ironies, I could see all the problems and faults of the RCC system, and the glaring missteps of the SDA church, but was so blind to 'my' cult....why? How could I not see what I now see? I think the culture of silence doesn't differentiate from a culture of deception or outright lies....I recently had an unpleasant run in with an LC sister who cut off contact with me months ago, and who was instrumental in my search for truth and an explanation for behavior I was witnessing in LC saints....she had completely revised what happened in our families case....and was vocal about blaming me for our split....I was shocked and honestly couldn't believe her stance....I am pretty sure the ones NOT answering my calls, texts, and emails are officially the ones doing the shunning....I have come to the conclusion that they are lying to me, and maybe even themselves.....