The Mormon Church is "The Church"?

[awareness]

To those in "The Church," whether the Mormon "The Church," The Recovery "The Church," or actually, all the other "The Churches," I have this to say :

Ye shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. Be not afraid to be as the wind. - John 8:32 & 3:8

[Drake]

Originally Posted by awareness

To those in "The Church," whether the Mormon "The Church," The Recovery "The Church," or actually, all the other "The Churches," I have this to say :

Ye shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. Be not afraid to be as the wind. - John 8:32 & 3:8

awareness,

I get the truth part... but the wind part appears to be a misappropriation of 3:8.

What do you mean exactly and how does this verse add validation to your meaning?

Drake

[awareness]

Thanks for asking. I think this sums it up :

The wind blows where it wishes . . . So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by awareness

Thanks for asking. I think this sums it up :

The wind blows where it wishes . . . So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.

I see.... but how to you apply its meaning? I'm not making the connection.

A description of a regenerated person born of the Spirit is not a call "to be as the wind".

Please elaborate what you are trying to say in layman's terms.

Thanks
Drake

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Drake

I see.... but how to you apply its meaning? I'm not making the connection.

A description of a regenerated person born of the Spirit is not a call "to be as the wind".

Please elaborate what you are trying to say in layman's terms.

Thanks
Drake

I guess that verse can be confusing. Is a person born of the Spirit like the wind? Jesus says the wind blows where it wishes? Is that what he means about the person born of the Spirit?

If we add truth shall set you free, it certainly sounds like it.

At any rate, I doubt it means to be joined to "The Church," Mormonism, Local-Churchism, or otherwise.

That aside, what do you think the verse means?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by awareness

I guess that verse can be confusing. Is a person born of the Spirit like the wind? Jesus says the wind blows where it wishes? Is that what he means about the person born of the Spirit?

If we add truth shall set you free, it certainly sounds like it.

At any rate, I doubt it means to be joined to "The Church," Mormonism, Local-Churchism, or otherwise.

That aside, what do you think the verse means?

awareness,

I think it means that a person who is born of the Spirit, that is regenerated, is like the wind... in that, it is a bit hard to put your finger on it, but when you hear its sound, or watch trees sway in its wake, or it blows your toupee off then you know its there.... so it is with a regenerated person, you may not completely understand what happened to them and its not fully recognizable but it is a fact.. just like the wind. The context appears to support that interpretation.

Thanks
Drake

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Drake

awareness,

I think it means that a person who is born of the Spirit, that is regenerated, is like the wind... in that, it is a bit hard to put your finger on it, but when you hear its sound, or watch trees sway in its wake, or it blows your toupee off then you know its there.... so it is with a regenerated person, you may not completely understand what happened to them and its not fully recognizable but it is a fact.. just like the wind. The context appears to support that interpretation.

Thanks
Drake

So to you the verse and context means that someone born of the Spirit is as real as the wind?

Interesting. Thanks.

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by awareness

I guess that verse can be confusing. Is a person born of the Spirit like the wind? Jesus says the wind blows where it wishes? Is that what he means about the person born of the Spirit?

If we add truth shall set you free, it certainly sounds like it.

At any rate, I doubt it means to be joined to "The Church," Mormonism, Local-Churchism, or otherwise.

That aside, what do you think the verse means?

I agree, Awareness...it has to do with our freedom in Christ Jesus....the LC or any one of 'The Church' churches are prisons, doctrinal prisons. But He has set us free in reality....we will blow or go wherever we will....and we are free, regenerated, redeemed by our faith in Jesus finished work, no assembly,no man, has the right to burden us with 'another' gospel, 'another' spirit....we are not constrained to the lie! Set free in our Lord we are....He prepared the way for us....He set good works for us to simply walk in them...He goes before us...He guards us from behind...He even opens shut gates and doors for His gospel to go forth....we are free, and the LC and others who perpetuate falsehoods cannot hold us responsible to doctrine of man....it makes me hoppin mad to see what they teach as truth really is 'spying out our freedom'....

[aron]

Originally Posted by awareness

To those in "The Church," whether the Mormon "The Church," The Recovery "The Church," or actually, all the other "The Churches," I have this to say :

Ye shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. Be not afraid to be as the wind. - John 8:32 & 3:8

John 1 tells us, "The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God" I was touched by "believe into his name". We believe into his name, and have the right to become children of God. Either this is true, or not. I believe it is true.

Again in Acts 3, Peter and John were in the temple at the third hour prayer, and Peter spoke to the astonished crowd, "By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus’ name and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see."

Again we have faith in the name of Jesus. There's power in the name, and the faith in this name appropriates the power. We have the power to live, as he lived; the power to heal, to forgive, to encourage, to teach, to bless, and the right to become God's children. Now, does the Bible speak of other things? Of course. But if you ask me what is truth, I would say this kind of word comes awfully close. If there's any objective reality available for appropriation, it's something like this: believe into the name of Jesus Christ and be saved.

The rest of it, called "the central lane of the divine economy" or "the Church" or "the body" or "the ministry of the age" or "God's current speaking" or some special "recovered truth" is foofaraw. The subtle one beguiled Eve and he's been beguiling ever since. 2 Cor 11 "But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ."

There is nothing else except Jesus Christ, crucified and raised to glory. In the simplicity of truth, there is safety. Beware of those offering special, proprietary teachings.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by aron

The rest of it, called "the central lane of the divine economy" or "the Church" or "the body" or "the ministry of the age" or "God's current speaking" or some special "recovered truth" is foofaraw. The subtle one beguiled Eve and he's been beguiling ever since. 2 Cor 11 "But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ."

There is nothing else except Jesus Christ, crucified and raised to glory. In the simplicity of truth, there is safety. Beware of those offering special, proprietary teachings.

Foofaraw! Yeah! You tell them.

Where do you get these words?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by aron

Beware of those offering special, proprietary teachings.

Great post aron.

I remember when preaching the gospel -- which was really preaching the local church life -- and when talking with visitors, stumbling in the conversation with the specific LC nomenclature. We not only had "proprietary teachings," but, "proprietary nomenclature." Part of bringing in a newbie was explaining the inside terminology. Once they understood that, it was hoped, they'll have "The Vision."

In the LSM/Recovery branded local churches -- "The Vision" -- has a very strong gravitational pull, circling Witness Lee. A orbit that can be very hard to pull out of.

[awareness]

Gosh! This thread is busy.

Originally Posted by Drake

This word is spoken to believers byHismercy. It is not an easy word, not a comfortable word, not a comforting word, but it is His word and we cannot ignore it.

Bro Drake, who knows the mind of God? We can walk away from God. -- I had to after leaving the local church -- but that doesn't mean God walks away from us. I don't care what you think Hebrews means. I know differently.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by awareness

Gosh! This thread is busy.


Bro Drake, who knows the mind of God? We can walk away from God. -- I had to after leaving the local church -- but that doesn't mean God walks away from us. I don't care what you think Hebrews means. I know differently.

Well, ok. What is the meaning of those verses in Hebrews? What is “worse punishment “ and why is it worse?

Be happy to hear you out ....since you know differently.

Drake

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Drake

Well, ok. What is the meaning of those verses in Hebrews? What is “worse punishment “ and why is it worse?

Be happy to hear you out ....since you know differently.

Drake

That's an easy one bro Drake. Thanks for asking. I don't know the meaning of those verses. Nor am I particularly concerned about it. Why fix what ain't broke?