The Mormon Church is "The Church"?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Drake

Not exactly.

All people are real.. obviously... but this verse is not talking about how real they are.... that would be over simplistic...rather, a regenerated person is different and their reality is not something you can always put your finger on. The "real" in the case of a regenerated person is like the wind... can't see it but you know something is there because you can hear it or see its effect. So, its not a statement that people born of the Spirit are real like all people are, believer and unbeliever alike. Rather, this is specifically about regenerated people and the reality of their regeneration.

That the Lord used sound as the evidence of the wind may have something to do with the testimony of He and his disciples mentioned in V11. They were making a sound and Nicodemus recognized it but could not define it exactly... so he seeks Jesus out to find out more and the Lord appears to be saying to Nicodemus something like ... we speak, you recognize something that you could not precisely define, and what you heard from us is mysterious just like the wind, you're not sure where it came from or where it is going but it is a fact and a reality.

Something like that.

Hope that helps... but in any case, I still don't see how it has anything to do with your initial counsel. Got the truth will set you free... but still don't understand how you meant "be as the wind" when applied to Christians in the local churches.... even using a different definition of what the "wind" is ... that may be because I don't know what your definition if "wind" is.

Feel free to clarify.

Drake

That's an interesting explanation of why Jesus used "wind." It may be true, then again maybe not. Maybe Jesus meant that a person of the Spirit is as free as the wind.

The Greek word used here for wind is pneuma. It could mean a current of air. But it's also used as breath, breeze, figuratively as spirit ; sometimes as the rational soul, vital principle, or mental disposition. Also as angel, daemon, God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit, and ghost, life, spirit and mind.

Here, pneuma clearly means blowing wind. And the wind, "blows where it wishes." Back to freedom again.

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by awareness

That's an interesting explanation of why Jesus used "wind." It may be true, then again maybe not. Maybe Jesus meant that a person of the Spirit is as free as the wind.

The Greek word used here for wind is pneuma. It could mean a current of air. But it's also used as breath, breeze, figuratively as spirit ; sometimes as the rational soul, vital principle, or mental disposition. Also as angel, daemon, God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit, and ghost, life, spirit and mind.

Here, pneuma clearly means blowing wind. And the wind, "blows where it wishes." Back to freedom again.

Didn’t realize this convo would be so long winded- can we move to a different thread?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

Didn’t realize this convo would be so long winded- can we move to a different thread?

Not necessary on my side. I'm done.... didn't know if Brother awareness had a deeper insight and thought it might be relevant.

thanks
Drake

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

Didn’t realize this convo would be so long winded- can we move to a different thread?

It can be moved wherever is appropriate...It took me forever to figure out how to post my OP....sorry it ended up where it did. I am still getting familiar with the forum. Thank you everybody for this fellowship! Blessing me....

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

It can be moved wherever is appropriate...It took me forever to figure out how to post my OP....sorry it ended up where it did. I am still getting familiar with the forum. Thank you everybody for this fellowship! Blessing me....

Hey BHM, sorry... I was referring to the wind comments - thus my attempt at a “wind” pun. Thanks for your OP. It sounds like Drake is done.

Anyone the has spent time with Mormons and those within the Witness Lee churches know that there are many similarities. Now there is yet another.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

Hey BHM, sorry... I was referring to the wind comments - thus my attempt at a “wind” pun. Thanks for your OP. It sounds like Drake is done.

Anyone the has spent time with Mormons and those within the Witness Lee churches know that there are many similarities. Now there is yet another.

I think I have Mormons targeting my little subdivision. There are numerous families with young children who have moved in and they all seem to know each other. When one family hosted "elders" and then moved to Provo, Utah, that was enough to inform me.

I know little about them. Can you say more about them?

Are there any code words I can use to know who is Mormon?

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I think I have Mormons targeting my little subdivision. There are numerous families with young children who have moved in and they all seem to know each other. When one family hosted "elders" and then moved to Provo, Utah, that was enough to inform me.

I know little about them. Can you say more about them?

Are there any code words I can use to know who is Mormon?

Ask them how many kids they have, that’s an easy one. They’ll also be wearing BYU gear - so you can ask about that. You can ask where they went on mission. Some are very awkward, but most I’ve met at really fun (these ratios are the opposite when compared to the LSM churches). They’re a friendly people, intelligent, well versed in explaining why their beliefs are superior and defending their religion. They are all about being Mormon and doing and saying the right things Mormons are supposed to do and say.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

Anyone the has spent time with Mormons and those within the Witness Lee churches know that there are many similarities. Now there is yet another.

You could go to a Baptist church and say the same.


Mormons are often compared to the Baptists for their remarkable similarities in their beliefs about baptism, the atonement, and the Second Coming, which are the teachings of traditional Christianity.

https://difference.guru/difference-b...s-and-mormons/

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

You could go to a Baptist church and say the same.


Mormons are often compared to the Baptists for their remarkable similarities in their beliefs about baptism, the atonement, and the Second Coming, which are the teachings of traditional Christianity.

https://difference.guru/difference-b...s-and-mormons/

You obviously haven’t spent time with Mormons. I will say this, my Mormon friends would take offense to me comparing them to The Witness Lee church...

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

You obviously haven’t spent time with Mormons. I will say this, my Mormon friends would take offense to me comparing them to The Witness Lee church...

Is it wise for you to keep company with anti-Christ? (2 John 1:10 )

[Drake]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

I will say this, my Mormon friends would take offense to me comparing them to The Witness Lee church...

I believe that LofT..... but why would your Mormon friends take offense? Have you talked to them about Witness Lee and the local churches?

I have worked for and have had Mormons work for me... consider some as close work colleagues. I have never found any of them to be very volatile... at least not touchy to take offense.

Drake