The Mormon Church is "The Church"?

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Drake

Bhm,

You appeared to suggest that any teaching about punishment of the believer was baloney, shackles, and chains.

Drake

Drake, that never happened. I do not recall reading anything in this thread regarding punishment of the believer. I never referred to punishment of the believer. I am sorry you misunderstood me. Maybe the smoke got in your eyes?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

Drake, that never happened. I do not recall reading anything in this thread regarding punishment of the believer. I never referred to punishment of the believer. I am sorry you misunderstood me. Maybe the smoke got in your eyes?

“Worse punishment” in the Hebrews verses I quoted.. I even bolded it so it would not be missed.

Well then bhm, what was your point about righteousness comes by our trust in the Son, and the Father has no additional qualifiers, etc. and what was the baloney that Aron cut through that so pleases you. He knows what he meant, but do you know what he meant? I know what he meant. .... but you are an independent thinker and don’t need to ride anyone’s coattails to make your own point so please clarify this....

What qualifiers? Qualifiers for what? Are there not additional qualifiers for entrance into the millennial kingdom? If not, then what is the meaning of Matt 5:22?

Thanks
Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

“Worse punishment” in the Hebrews verses I quoted.. I even bolded it so it would not be missed.

Well then bhm, what was your point about righteousness comes by our trust in the Son, and the Father has no additional qualifiers, etc. and what was the baloney that Aron cut through that so pleases you. He knows what he meant, but do you know what he meant? I know what he meant. .... but you are an independent thinker and don’t need to ride anyone’s coattails to make your own point so please clarify this....

What qualifiers? Qualifiers for what? Are there not additional qualifiers for entrance into the millennial kingdom? If not, then what is the meaning of Matt 5:22?

Thanks
Drake

Drake loves to chastise young believers emerging from the bondage of LSM's legalities, warning them with the weight of bolded scripture in order to silence those asking for assistance.

ByHisMercy you are not the first precious child of God to suffer judgmental backlash from LSMers while you by His mercy are seeing thru the smoke and mirrors what LSM is really all about.

This has been happening for decades. Unfortunately I viewed it from afar for 30 years and believed W. Lee when I heard his lies about those who spoke against the corruption at LSM. He adamantly instructed us that he was suffering persecution as a faithful follower of Jesus. What a falsehood!

Then I witnessed it first hand during the Ohio quarantines 10 years ago. The Lord shined a bright light on their pathetic ways. They damaged and divided every church in the name of oneness. Can you believe it? It was not the "oneness of the Spirit" which the Bible speaks of, but a twisted oneness with Witness Lee and his ministry which they demand of all.

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Drake loves to chastise young believers emerging from the bondage of LSM's legalities, warning them with the weight of bolded scripture in order to silence those asking for assistance.

ByHisMercy you are not the first precious child of God to suffer judgmental backlash from LSMers while you by His mercy are seeing thru the smoke and mirrors what LSM is really all about.

This has been happening for decades. Unfortunately I viewed it from afar for 30 years and believed W. Lee when I heard his lies about those who spoke against the corruption at LSM. He adamantly instructed us that he was suffering persecution as a faithful follower of Jesus. What a falsehood!

Then I witnessed it first hand during the Ohio quarantines 10 years ago. The Lord shined a bright light on their pathetic ways. They damaged and divided every church in the name of oneness. Can you believe it? It was not the "oneness of the Spirit" which the Bible speaks of, but a twisted oneness with Witness Lee and his ministry which they demand of all.

Ohio, I am so sorry you were under the deception for so long...It saddens and angers me to realize how deceived you were, and I was, and we all were. I believed everything I was told because I was surrounded by christians....never once thinking there could exist such deception in the body....you said rightly 'twisted oneness with Lee and his ministry'. That is the truth of the LC in a nutshell. That is the perfect example of some LC baloney...only not as innocuous as it sounds. That unrighteous requirement for oneness with these saints is exactly what is dividing them from the body of Christ. It gets even uglier when they accuse all other christians of causing the division, when they cannot take the LC way, the new way, the Lee way. My comfort in the face of that sort of accusation is that God Almighty sees what they do, and knows the truth. They will never look at Jesus' face and get away with telling Him, `it was they who divided from us, Lord`.

[Kevin]

LCM has shown its true colors.

[Evangelical]

If Drake crossed any lines, it was because he was baited into it.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

If Drake crossed any lines, it was because he was baited into it.

Poor guy! Victim of a vast internet conspiracy, for sure.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

If Drake crossed any lines, it was because he was baited into it.

Bro Drake seems to be okay to me. I'm just mystified how he can be in the LC as long as I've been out.

Basically, when I discovered the LC is a cult he joined it. WOW! What's more, it took me 10 years to discover that the LC is a cult. So it mystifies that he hasn't discovered that after 40 years. He seems smart.

Maybe brother Drake, and Evangelical, have spent all their time in the dreamland section of the LC. And we on LCD weren't so lucky.

At any rate, it neither breaks my leg or picks my pocket that they are in the LC. Same for those in the Mormon "The Church." Or Tom Cruise. It's the death cults that concern me ... and the sex cults (tho that one is okay too, I guess, if it's only consenting adults).

That to me is the important factor. There are what I call "consenting cults." Those cults don't use force to get members, nor use physical force to keep them. Members are free to come and go as they please.

Consenting cults are psychological cults ; like personality cults, cults of loyalty to a dynamic leader.

Just like my brother Drake, I don't know why people join them. This latest cult in the news, NXIVM, offers, "personal and professional development seminars through its "Executive Success Programs"." Oh, and getting to sleep with the world's greatest genius, Keith Raniere, and have his initials burnt into your lower abdomen. WOW! Sign me up!

I have to admit that I'm a funny guy. I think the local church must have permanently bent my Palm Tree. (Or maybe I'm just outta my tree ... you decided). I realize that trying to save others from the local church is just whacking at the leaves, and not the roots.

The problem is much bigger than the LC ; like solving the problem of why humans join cults in the first place, of any kind. It's a widespread problem, even in Christendom.

In the early days of Christianity there were lots of cults. Putting aside that the Romans considered the Jesus movement to be a cult, during the post-apostolic period there arose in the Jesus movement what came to be called heresiologist's, or those fighting against heretical cults that was springing up.

Today we have even more Christian cults. Walter Martin is famous for pointing out and fighting against Christian cults in his, "The Rise of the Cults: An Introductory Guide to the Non-Christian Cults" and " The Kingdom of the Cults: An Analysis of Major Cult Systems in the Present Christian Era."

He founded the Christian Research Institute (CRI). He also listed Lee's local church movement as a cult. To which Hank Hanegraaff later released "We Were Wrong."

As a result CRI can no longer be considered a credible Christian Anti-Cult institution. They lost that when Walter Martin died.

So here we are, whacking at the leaves. Before LCD there was "The Bereans.net." They were an anti-cult website. They had a Local Church section, that because of historical content, and many personal testimonies, was much better than LCD. At least they addressed the wider problem, of Christian cults of every kind.

While here, we're only concerned with the LC cult. We don't even care about those in the title of this thread.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

Ohio, I am so sorry you were under the deception for so long...

Hopefully ... in some way ... that encourages you.

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Hopefully ... in some way ... that encourages you.

Actually, Ohio, it does. The shame and embarrassment that comes with having been deceived so successfully by the LC....let me just say that knowing I am not alone in this is a balm to my wounds! Especially seeing brothers and sisters here who love our Lord and trust His word...and have His shining....this is comforting. He also has comforted me through His word, enormously. I see in His word all the ways the Lee doctrines contradict scripture, and it has made it easy to set them behind me. Flee from them, actually. The contributions to this forum have blessed me greatly, and I hope so many unsuspecting believers will be steered away from the Lee church by this public conversation. God bless everyone who reads these testimonies with light and truth!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

Actually, Ohio, it does. The shame and embarrassment that comes with having been deceived so successfully by the LC....let me just say that knowing I am not alone in this is a balm to my wounds! Especially seeing brothers and sisters here who love our Lord and trust His word...and have His shining....this is comforting. He also has comforted me through His word, enormously. I see in His word all the ways the Lee doctrines contradict scripture, and it has made it easy to set them behind me. Flee from them, actually. The contributions to this forum have blessed me greatly, and I hope so many unsuspecting believers will be steered away from the Lee church by this public conversation. God bless everyone who reads these testimonies with light and truth!

Amen and amen byHismercy ....

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

Actually, Ohio, it does. The shame and embarrassment that comes with having been deceived so successfully by the LC....let me just say that knowing I am not alone in this is a balm to my wounds! Especially seeing brothers and sisters here who love our Lord and trust His word...and have His shining....this is comforting. He also has comforted me through His word, enormously. I see in His word all the ways the Lee doctrines contradict scripture, and it has made it easy to set them behind me. Flee from them, actually. The contributions to this forum have blessed me greatly, and I hope so many unsuspecting believers will be steered away from the Lee church by this public conversation. God bless everyone who reads these testimonies with light and truth!

You should appreciate and hold onto everything precious you have received from the LC and your LC brothers and sisters. Our Heavenly Father brought you in contact with them for a reason. There are positive takeaways from every experience we pass thru. In Psalm 23 David realized that God was with him, and comforted him, even though He had brought him thru the valley of the shadow of death. Even when surrounded by his enemies, David's portion of God was at His table.

This is how we all must view our walk with the Lord. Our time in the LC was valuable because the Lord was with us. He led us to the LC for a season, and then He led us out. The shame is not on us, but on the LC for their policies, uplifting the one man Lee, instead of the one Man Jesus Christ. When Jesus is our center, we are one and brotherly love abounds. When the teachings of Lee are our center, then the system of man-pleasers places legalistic demands on ones like you to conform ... or be cast out.