Important Announcement regarding the Alternative Views Subforum

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I think all future candidates for SCOTUS will be given the same treatment. Pity the next nominee from a Democrat.

So said Lindsey Graham. But, Neil Gorsuch went to the same high school as Kavanaugh. Yet no such accusation surfaced against him and he breezed through the hearings with relative ease. As agonizing as it is, I think the problem is the man not the process.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

So said Lindsey Graham. But, Neil Gorsuch went to the same high school as Kavanaugh. Yet no such accusation surfaced against him and he breezed through the hearings with relative ease. As agonizing as it is, I think the problem is the man not the process.

Drinking beer with Mark Judge leaves him open to accusation.

Republicans must be perfect, Dems can get away with murder.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Drinking beer with Mark Judge leaves him open to accusation.

Republicans must be perfect, Dems can get away with murder.

"Politics is always changing. Sometimes it's my guy, and sometime it's your idiots." - Tim Allen is back. Last Man Standing, Season 7, Episode 1 is a must see. It's a message to everyone of us, no matter how polarized we are.

I might even go so far as to call it a hippie message. Then again, Tim Allen.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Drinking beer with Mark Judge leaves him open to accusation.

Republicans must be perfect, Dems can get away with murder.

Gorsuch went to the same Catholic prep school. It wasn't a problem for him. Kavanaugh misrepresented himself as squeaky clean and threw a temper tantrum in the senate chamber when his story was challenged. The guy is emotionally volatile. Not Supreme Court material.

Kavanaugh has been quoted as saying 'What happens at Georgetown Prep stays at Georgetown Prep," Wishful thinking on his part. Too bad for him it didn't work out that way.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Kavanaugh has been quoted as saying 'What happens at Georgetown Prep stays at Georgetown Prep," Wishful thinking on his part. Too bad for him it didn't work out that way.

That is a misrepresentation. Kavanaugh quoted a dean as saying "what happens at Georgetown Prep stays at Georgetown prep". If I quote Zeek as saying something it doesn't make it my quote.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

That is a misrepresentation. Kavanaugh quoted a dean as saying "what happens at Georgetown Prep stays at Georgetown prep". If I quote Zeek as saying something it doesn't make it my quote.

Isn't that "guilt by quoting, once removed"?


To all Lefties like zeek, that is all they need to convict someone in their heart. Think about how many in America now truly believe that Kavanaugh is worse than Bill Cosby, drugging and gang-raping women every weekend.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Drinking beer with Mark Judge leaves him open to accusation.

Republicans must be perfect, Dems can get away with murder.

Once Mark Judge published that book it opened the door. Anything to connect Mark Judge to Kavanaugh would tarnish Kavanaugh and would be credible.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Once Mark Judge published that book it opened the door. Anything to connect Mark Judge to Kavanaugh would tarnish Kavanaugh and would be credible.

Isn't that guilt by association 35 years removed. I think we are all in trouble.


Since Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. control the history of every Millennial's social media actions, they will be able to blackmail conservatives for decades.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Isn't that guilt by association 35 years removed. I think we are all in trouble.


Since Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. control the history of every Millennial's social media actions, they will be able to blackmail conservatives for decades.

They will blackmail everyone. I made this point in a previous post. Instead of looking at his professional record, his coworkers, and his resume with his credentials, we are now going to use the fact that one of his friends over the last 36 years was a drunk to reject someone.

Think of what one of the questions was in the hearing "have you ever been blackout drunk". If he says yes, then they can say that any denial he gives is invalid since he might have simply "blacked out". If he says no then they can argue that he drank and at times was drunk. So getting witnesses to describe every encounter they ever had with him that is unflattering becomes part of the process.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

They will blackmail everyone. I made this point in a previous post. Instead of looking at his professional record, his coworkers, and his resume with his credentials, we are now going to use the fact that one of his friends over the last 36 years was a drunk to reject someone.

Think of what one of the questions was in the hearing "have you ever been blackout drunk". If he says yes, then they can say that any denial he gives is invalid since he might have simply "blacked out". If he says no then they can argue that he drank and at times was drunk. So getting witnesses to describe every encounter they ever had with him that is unflattering becomes part of the process.

Kavanaugh said he "fell asleep" after drinking. "Blackout" is now in the eyes of the beholder.

The real issue here is that this woman Dr. Ford was never cross-examined. They have never examined her life and background. She has mental health issues. Was she hypnotized into remembering Kavanaugh? Why are her lawyers Democratic operatives? There are serious legal issues here unresolved.

Without due process, every so-called government "job interview" can be squashed by one person's accusation, even if you never met the person. All they have to prove is that they once lived in the same state.

[zeek]

Brett Kavanaugh "lied on that Fox News interview" about who he was, a former Yale classmate said, adding that the person he professed to be wasn't the one she knew. "This is about the integrity of the Supreme Court," she said. "I know that Brett mischaracterized himself, and it's incredibly disappointing that despite that this man could be elevated to the Supreme Court."

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/kava...ry?id=58143025

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Kavanaugh said he "fell asleep" after drinking. "Blackout" is now in the eyes of the beholder.

The real issue here is that this woman Dr. Ford was never cross-examined. They have never examined her life and background. She has mental health issues. Was she hypnotized into remembering Kavanaugh? Why are her lawyers Democratic operatives? There are serious legal issues here unresolved.

Without due process, every so-called government "job interview" can be squashed by one person's accusation, even if you never met the person. All they have to prove is that they once lived in the same state.

I don't think any of that is "the real issue". To me the real issue is this process. A person is nominated to this post, obviously a great honor for someone who is a judge. The criteria for confirmation should not be a political football. They should create the prerequisites they are expecting in a Supreme Court Justice, and they should identify Felonies and maybe even misdemeanors as being cause for rejection.

IMO one week from now nothing will have changed. The FBI will not present a report that makes their previous background checks look like keystone cops, so no allegation will be substantiated. He will not be accused or tried for any crime. Yet his name and reputation will be forever damaged, as will Dr. Ford's. No Democrat is going to change their position because all the allegations will still be out there and the cry will be that one week is not enough time. All but 2 Republicans will not change their opinion. So then if he is approved all the Pro choicers will be screaming in outrage when in reality this should never have been done in public. If he is denied confirmation the Pro Life, Pro Trump portion of the US will be screaming in outrage and there is nothing that could have motivated them to come out and vote and ignore all the convictions of Cohen, etc. like this.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Drinking beer with Mark Judge leaves him open to accusation.

Republicans must be perfect, Dems can get away with murder.

Can we be a little more reasonable? I don't think anyone is taking issue with the fact that he drank, or went to parties, or portrayed himself as a choirboy.

It is hardly demanding "perfection" that we might be concerned about an assault on a 15 year old girl and want to investigate. Certainly you can understand why a woman who is a victim of a sexual assault would not want to have to try her case before a judge who himself did the same things.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Can we be a little more reasonable? I don't think anyone is taking issue with the fact that he drank, or went to parties, or portrayed himself as a choirboy.

It is hardly demanding "perfection" that we might be concerned about an assault on a 15 year old girl and want to investigate. Certainly you can understand why a woman who is a victim of a sexual assault would not want to have to try her case before a judge who himself did the same things.

I disagree. He repeatedly admittied to "liking beer," and told us he was "not perfect." That went over like a lead zeppelin.

Sen Hirono demands to know about all the parties he had in school.

He has been condemned for Judge's party ways.

The Democrats never gave him the presumption of innocence. They demanded more than perfection.

Btw, even if Kavanaugh had been disciplined for "groping" in High School, would that even have been reported to the police? If he was "convicted," what would be the charge? Aggressive play? Would not juvenile incidents like that also be expunged? Just sayin.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

So said Lindsey Graham. But, Neil Gorsuch went to the same high school as Kavanaugh. Yet no such accusation surfaced against him and he breezed through the hearings with relative ease. As agonizing as it is, I think the problem is the man not the process.

If you don't see a problem with this process as it just played out then I am flabbergasted. Regardless of how this plays out, whether or not he is confirmed, I think it is abundantly clear this entire thing should have been done behind closed doors and should have been done a month ago. This process has irreparably harmed both reputations. I would also add that I expect this to absolutely mobilize those that support Trump and/or Kavanaugh during this mid term election. This process has been extremely polarizing to the entire country.