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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

rejecting Kavanaugh has nothing to do with abortion.


For example, why didn't they look at the calendar, figure out which days were parties and tried to quantify exactly how many of these drinking parties he went to. Why not ask him how many beers or drinks he would drink. If he said no more than two that could be easily debunked. If he said 6-8 then most of us could assume he was getting drunk at each of these parties.

So I think the questions were too vague to be useful for anything but distortion. Some people may think he was "black out drunk" but how would you know that unless you actually talked to him the next day and he had no recollection. I think they are confusing passed out with black out.

Rejecting Kavanaugh has everything to do with abortion -- numerous from the left have told us this exactly.



First, I did hear questions by Sen. Whitehouse and others about specific calendar dates, notably July 1, 1982. Kavanaugh did say he never blacked out, but did fall asleep.

Secondly, there is no way to have a decent "trial" unless they actually were brought to trial, with evidence examined, witnesses questioned and cross-examined, etc.

If all it takes to convict people is to examine teenage drinking, we would have no unsolved crimes. I am as guilty as the next guy, definitely moreso than Kavanaugh. By this flawed logic, I could be "convicted" of murder, rape, conspiracy, every crime in the book. There is no way on earth I could go back to every day of my life and "prove" I was perfectly innocent. By that standard, I could not even "prove" my innocence for last week.

Regarding Ford's claims, there are up to 5 witnesses who supposedly were there who refute her claims. How many witnesses does one need? Look at how vulnerable you also are ZNP? What if some former HS classmate was in marital counseling because she wanted "two front doors" on her house. Using questionable memory devices, suddenly her political therapist helps her to "remember" that her life-long problems were all due to inappropriate contact with some ZNP guy decades ago. Enter WaPo with a wealthy owner hell-bent on destroying friends of Trump, and now your employer has serious misgivings about you interfacing with students.

If every "female survivor" must automatically be believed, then God save our country.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Rejecting Kavanaugh has everything to do with abortion -- numerous from the left have told us this exactly.



First, I did hear questions by Sen. Whitehouse and others about specific calendar dates, notably July 1, 1982. Kavanaugh did say he never blacked out, but did fall asleep.

Secondly, there is no way to have a decent "trial" unless they actually were brought to trial, with evidence examined, witnesses questioned and cross-examined, etc.

If all it takes to convict people is to examine teenage drinking, we would have no unsolved crimes. I am as guilty as the next guy, definitely moreso than Kavanaugh. By this flawed logic, I could be "convicted" of murder, rape, conspiracy, every crime in the book. There is no way on earth I could go back to every day of my life and "prove" I was perfectly innocent. By that standard, I could not even "prove" my innocence for last week.

Regarding Ford's claims, there are up to 5 witnesses who supposedly were there who refute her claims. How many witnesses does one need? Look at how vulnerable you also are ZNP? What if some former HS classmate was in marital counseling because she wanted "two front doors" on her house. Using questionable memory devices, suddenly her political therapist helps her to "remember" that her life-long problems were all due to inappropriate contact with some ZNP guy decades ago. Enter WaPo with a wealthy owner hell-bent on destroying friends of Trump, and now your employer has serious misgivings about you interfacing with students.

If every "female survivor" must automatically be believed, then God save our country.

I am not one of the senators voting. So in my opinion it will really depend on the three that are potential swing votes. Those three are not going to reject Kavanaugh because of abortion. Perhaps this can act as cover to allow them to reject him, avoiding a contentious vote. But Trump can still nominate the next potential candidate. That candidate could be equally pro life, so again, this is not about abortion the Democratic party that will come out.

No doubt much of the protests from the minority are about abortion, but unless you subscribe to the idea that this is a big conspiracy from the left then there is no basis for that. If you do subscribe to that then it should come out in an FBI investigation. It is extremely difficult to hide a conspiracy from experienced investigators who are focusing in on just that. for example, it is highly unlikely Dr. Ford conspired with the Left without leaving a huge paper trail of emails, text messages and phone calls. I would expect the FBI to go through all of her emails, texts and phone calls. If they found connection to pro choice activists and

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I am not one of the senators voting. So in my opinion it will really depend on the three that are potential swing votes. Those three are not going to reject Kavanaugh because of abortion. Perhaps this can act as cover to allow them to reject him, avoiding a contentious vote. But Trump can still nominate the next potential candidate. That candidate could be equally pro life, so again, this is not about abortion the Democratic party that will come out.

No doubt much of the protests from the minority are about abortion, but unless you subscribe to the idea that this is a big conspiracy from the left then there is no basis for that. If you do subscribe to that then it should come out in an FBI investigation. It is extremely difficult to hide a conspiracy from experienced investigators who are focusing in on just that. for example, it is highly unlikely Dr. Ford conspired with the Left without leaving a huge paper trail of emails, text messages and phone calls. I would expect the FBI to go through all of her emails, texts and phone calls. If they found connection to pro choice activists and

Huh? Both Collins and Murkowski have made Roe their litmus test.

Did you see Ted and Heidi Cruz recently get targeted at a DC restaurant? If their is no "conspiracy" in operation, how do you explain the fact that the LEFT can assemble seriously dangerous protesters in every city in a moments' notice? Hundreds of these events have occurred.

Why would these activities "come out in an FBI investigation?" Did not Senator Graham call for an investigation into illegalities related to Dr. Ford's lawyers? And how do you explain Feinstein's actions? How do explain these “politically connected lawyers” hired for Ford? Even Brennan and Comey are screaming for Kavanaugh's neck.

What Left-wing conspiracy? This could never be!

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Huh? Both Collins and Murkowski have made Roe their litmus test.

Did you see Ted and Heidi Cruz recently get targeted at a DC restaurant? If their is no "conspiracy" in operation, how do you explain the fact that the LEFT can assemble seriously dangerous protesters in every city in a moments' notice? Hundreds of these events have occurred.

Why would these activities "come out in an FBI investigation?" Did not Senator Graham call for an investigation into illegalities related to Dr. Ford's lawyers? And how do you explain Feinstein's actions? How do explain these “politically connected lawyers” hired for Ford? Even Brennan and Comey are screaming for Kavanaugh's neck.

What Left-wing conspiracy? This could never be!

I do not doubt that the pro choice faction is doing everything thinkable to stop Kavanaugh. That is not the issue. The issue is Dr. Ford's testimony and if the FBI investigation uncovers anything. If not he can be confirmed and the Democrats will look bad.

Likewise, if the FBI uncovers a conspiracy to defraud Kavanaugh that also will make the Democrats look bad. It will be very simple to find.

1. Did Dr. Ford have any contact with this group (very hard to imagine she would allow herself to be this exposed for some kind of scam without a lot of cajoling). All of that contact would be easy to find for the FBI.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I do not doubt that the pro choice faction is doing everything thinkable to stop Kavanaugh. That is not the issue. The issue is Dr. Ford's testimony and if the FBI investigation uncovers anything. If not he can be confirmed and the Democrats will look bad.

Likewise, if the FBI uncovers a conspiracy to defraud Kavanaugh that also will make the Democrats look bad. It will be very simple to find.

1. Did Dr. Ford have any contact with this group (very hard to imagine she would allow herself to be this exposed for some kind of scam without a lot of cajoling). All of that contact would be easy to find for the FBI.

The media will never let the Democrats look bad. Serious?

Look at all the fake news allegations against Trump to date. They all have come and gone, without any actual evidence, yet the Media ran with the story until another one came along.

Name me one conspiracy lie that proved false and the Democrats "looked bad." You have hundreds to choose from. Collusion anyone?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The media will never let the Democrats look bad. Serious?

Look at all the fake news allegations against Trump to date. They all have come and gone, without any actual evidence, yet the Media ran with the story until another one came along.

Name me one conspiracy lie that proved false and the Democrats "looked bad." You have hundreds to choose from. Collusion anyone?

You quoted me talking about an FBI investigation and go off on a rant about the media. If Ford was in contact with pro choice and/or democratic operatives it will be revealed in the FBI investigation.

What the media does with it is another issue. But Trump and many Republicans will have access to the findings. Perhaps Trump could tweet about it doing an end run on the media? Or maybe he could get Shawn Hannity to do a story? If only there was something the President of the US could do to get the truth out.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

You quoted me talking about an FBI investigation and go off on a rant about the media. If Ford was in contact with pro choice and/or democratic operatives it will be revealed in the FBI investigation.

What the media does with it is another issue. But Trump and many Republicans will have access to the findings. Perhaps Trump could tweet about it doing an end run on the media? Or maybe he could get Shawn Hannity to do a story? If only there was something the President of the US could do to get the truth out.

I do tend to rant on about the media, don't I? Perhaps I have been "traumatized" by them.

Yet you have gone on a rant of your own here on Trump and Hannity. I guess we all do it, just favoring our own side.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

If every "female survivor" must automatically be believed, then God save our country.

And if female survivor's are dismissed, things will continue on as it has ; where men think they have a right to abuse women. I suppose that's fine with you, and maybe even with the libtard cucks.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

And if female survivor's are dismissed, things will continue on as it has ; where men think they have a right to abuse women. I suppose that's fine with you, and maybe even with the libtard cucks.

Whoa!

Any woman who is abused should seek out legal counsel or the police at the earliest possible moment. We have a tremendous arsenal of forensic tools which can prove and confirm these allegations. Using an uncorroborated claim that is 36 years old has been proven to very often be false. Check the records there have been many instances of therapists "discovering" past trauma and then accusing people whose lives are ruined only to later be proven innocent.

Don't ever throw away physical evidence. Even 36 years later we could have found Kavanaugh's DNA on a ripped blouse.

Take photos. Write as much down as you can -- who was at the party, when, why did you go, what was the invitation, address, time, etc.

It is blatantly unfair to someone to accuse them of this 36 years later and say I don't remember the date, I don't remember who was there, I don't remember the address, I don't have any physical evidence, and the only witnesses I have referred to have denied any knowledge of it.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Using an uncorroborated claim that is 36 years old has been proven to very often be false. Check the records there have been many instances of therapists "discovering" past trauma and then accusing people whose lives are ruined only to later be proven innocent.

Julie Swetick has shown us that the Left have moved on from the #MeToo to the #CosbyToo movement. If you are going to make false accusations, may as well make them whoppers. Convicted Cosby, however, has more honor in the media than Kavanaugh.


This whole ordeal of the smearing and character assassination of Kavanaugh is igniting the #UsToo movement which may just work out for good in November.

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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Julie Swetick has shown us that the Left have moved on from the #MeToo to the #CosbyToo movement. If you are going to make false accusations, may as well make them whoppers. Convicted Cosby, however, has more honor in the media than Kavanaugh.


This whole ordeal of the smearing and character assassination of Kavanaugh is igniting the #UsToo movement which may just work out for good in November.

Yes, her accusation appears to be a smear, but has it been proven? Once again, a relatively simple process for the FBI to confirm that she was gang raped, that it took place in a bar, and who was present. Smart phones confirm your gps location at specific times, so if Kavanaugh or others had phones it would be simple to confirm much of the accusation or disprove it. Most people use credit cards, again physical evidence that someone was there.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yes, her accusation appears to be a smear, but has it been proven? Once again, a relatively simple process for the FBI to confirm that she was gang raped, that it took place in a bar, and who was present. Smart phones confirm your gps location at specific times, so if Kavanaugh or others had phones it would be simple to confirm much of the accusation or disprove it. Most people use credit cards, again physical evidence that someone was there.

This FBI investigation is a sham. They don't have the time to do a through investigation, and their scope was restricted for days out of the shoot.

McConnell is going to push Kav thru come hell or high water, no matter if he's a lying scumbag.

The investigation is for show, out of the pubbies worrying about the mid-terms.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

This FBI investigation is a sham. They don't have the time to do a through investigation, and their scope was restricted for days out of the shoot.

McConnell is going to push Kav thru come hell or high water, no matter if he's a lying scumbag.

The investigation is for show, out of the pubbies worrying about the mid-terms.

I can see how unbiased and objective you are in this matter.

Perhaps just virtue signaling?

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by awareness

This FBI investigation is a sham. They don't have the time to do a through investigation, and their scope was restricted for days out of the shoot.

McConnell is going to push Kav thru come hell or high water, no matter if he's a lying scumbag.

The investigation is for show, out of the pubbies worrying about the mid-terms.

Entire process has been politicized. If at any time Senator Feinstein cared about truth and justice, FBI would have had something to investigate back in July.
Did Kavanaugh do as alleged or didn't he? I don't know. I'm sure as certain no one will be happy with any outcome. Innocent or guilty, he's certainly guilty in the court of public opinion.
What if he's innocent? It doesn't change anything. Perception becomes reality. Examine last 28 years in the local churches. Allegations don't require validation.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

This FBI investigation is a sham.

So it was outrageous that the Republicans wouldn't put off the vote, but then when they did it was a sham. It was outrageous that they would vote the day after rather than have an investigation, but when they agreed to the FBI investigation it was a sham. It seems to me that you are going to blame the Republicans regardless of what they do.

Originally Posted by awareness

They don't have the time to do a through investigation, and their scope was restricted for days out of the shoot.

Let's see, Feinstein held the letter for months, but it is the republicans fault that there isn't enough time? Sounds to me like all you want is to delay.

Originally Posted by awareness

McConnell is going to push Kav thru come hell or high water, no matter if he's a lying scumbag.

The investigation is for show, out of the pubbies worrying about the mid-terms.

What was for show was making this public. It should have been done behind closed doors six weeks ago. That in turn could have triggered an FBI investigation for weeks without it being a circus. The entire circus and damage to the reputations of both people (Ford and Kavanaugh). That is the responsibility of Feinstein.