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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I don't believe it.

Plato said no one is more hated than the one who tells you the truth. It has been that way for thousands of years, so if "real journalism is a dying profession" it would have already died out long ago. Which doesn't explain many of the real journalists today like Frontline a few years ago, 60 minutes back in the day when they broke the story on cigarettes, or Spotlight breaking the story on the Catholic church.

If respected news outlets purge their ranks of real journalists then they won't be respected for long.

You only explained that it is not dead, but I said it was a dying profession, citing conservative purges in the profession.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You only explained that it is not dead, but I said it was a dying profession, citing conservative purges in the profession.

Yes, but if it has been dying for thousands of years it can hardly be said to be "dying".

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yes, but if it has been dying for thousands of years it can hardly be said to be "dying".

Why do you say thousands of years?

Can you really say that CNN and WaPo do honest political journalism?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Why do you say thousands of years?

Can you really say that CNN and WaPo do honest political journalism?

What I can say is that for thousands of years those in power wanted to write the history to say what they wanted it to say. The fact that we have been able to get a relatively accurate picture of history proves that the truth cannot be covered up with darkness.

History has shown us various leaders manipulating the press like Hitler did. Doesn't mean real journalists weren't out there. The real journalists are not motivated by money, but have a sense of mission, perhaps because of some corrupt leaders influence on their own family. That is how things work, the corrupt leaders get power through lies and abusive practices. But those they abuse have children who then feel a divine commission to expose the lies and corruption.

Until the US constitution is rewritten, taking away "freedom of speech" I don't believe you can hide the truth by doing "purges" of the major news outlets.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You only explained that it is not dead, but I said it was a dying profession, citing conservative purges in the profession.

What? Liberals can't be professional objective journalists?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

What? Liberals can't be professional objective journalists?

I found one!

Check it out!

CNN President Brian Stelter Schooled by Veteran Journalist Ted Koppel

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I found one!

Check it out!

CNN President Brian Stelter Schooled by Veteran Journalist Ted Koppel

Yes, he made my point. He gets 250,000 viewers within 24 hours of posting a video on Youtube from his kitchen. CNN gets 500,000 or less for their shows. If CNN loses credibility people will go to Youtube, or other internet outlets. They'll get their news from Australia, of the BBC, or dare I even say it, FOX.

He also points out that FOX has more viewers than CNN and MSNBC combined. So why the crying about the liberal media, the conservative media is quite capable of balancing out the liberal media.

There is one hysterically funny portion where he shows a clip from CNN with their breaking news that Kavanaugh once threw ice at someone in a bar and he asked the talking head if this were disqualifying and she responded "This is why we need an FBI investigation"!?!

I am now going to use that line at school every chance I can -- "This is why we need an FBI investigation" that is hysterical. Yes, call the FBI a kid in college 35 years ago is accused of throwing ice in a bar. Like I said the Democrats have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Ohio]

Here is Nancy Pelosi describing established Democratic smear tactics, colluding with the liberal Press.

Former Speaker Pelosi: "The Republicans don’t want the voters to see that contrast, so they focus on something else."

"It’s a diversionary tactic. It’s a self-fulfilling prophesy. You demonize them. We call it the wrap-up smear . . . You smear somebody with falsehoods and all the rest and then you merchandise it."

"And then you [speaking to the press] write it, and they’ll say, see it’s reported in the press . . . so they have that validation, that the press reported the smear, and then it’s called the ‘wrap-up smear.’"

"And now I’m going to merchandize the press’s report on the smear that we made. [Shrugging and smirking] It’s a tactic. And it’s, it’s self-evident."

There you have it folks. Caught on video. Let's see how it works.

Demonize Kavanaugh, check.
Smear somebody with falsehoods “and all the rest,” check.
Merchandize falsehoods-based smear, check.
Get press to report falsehoods-based smear, check.
Merchandize “validation” of press reports on falsehoods-based smear, check.

And posters here wonder why I say real journalism is dying, and the Democratic Party is totally corrupt.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Here is Nancy Pelosi describing established Democratic smear tactics, colluding with the liberal Press.

Former Speaker Pelosi: "The Republicans don’t want the voters to see that contrast, so they focus on something else."

"It’s a diversionary tactic. It’s a self-fulfilling prophesy. You demonize them. We call it the wrap-up smear . . . You smear somebody with falsehoods and all the rest and then you merchandise it."

"And then you [speaking to the press] write it, and they’ll say, see it’s reported in the press . . . so they have that validation, that the press reported the smear, and then it’s called the ‘wrap-up smear.’"

"And now I’m going to merchandize the press’s report on the smear that we made. [Shrugging and smirking] It’s a tactic. And it’s, it’s self-evident."

There you have it folks. Caught on video. Let's see how it works.

Demonize Kavanaugh, check.
Smear somebody with falsehoods “and all the rest,” check.
Merchandize falsehoods-based smear, check.
Get press to report falsehoods-based smear, check.
Merchandize “validation” of press reports on falsehoods-based smear, check.

And posters here wonder why I say real journalism is dying, and the Democratic Party is totally corrupt.

If all these people in power only spoke the truth there would be no need for real journalists. Real journalism is not simply taking the word of those in power, it is about finding the truth when they are trying to lie to you.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

If all these people in power only spoke the truth there would be no need for real journalists. Real journalism is not simply taking the word of those in power, it is about finding the truth when they are trying to lie to you.

You keep saying the right things at the wrong time.

What about an entire room of journalists being instructed by Pelosi how to destroy someone, and then watching it play out with Kavanaugh?

What would happen if some journalist at NYT, WaPo, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, AP, CNN, etc. brought this story to their boss?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Here is Nancy Pelosi describing established Democratic smear tactics, colluding with the liberal Press.

Former Speaker Pelosi: "The Republicans don’t want the voters to see that contrast, so they focus on something else."

"It’s a diversionary tactic. It’s a self-fulfilling prophesy. You demonize them. We call it the wrap-up smear . . . You smear somebody with falsehoods and all the rest and then you merchandise it."

"And then you [speaking to the press] write it, and they’ll say, see it’s reported in the press . . . so they have that validation, that the press reported the smear, and then it’s called the ‘wrap-up smear.’"

"And now I’m going to merchandize the press’s report on the smear that we made. [Shrugging and smirking] It’s a tactic. And it’s, it’s self-evident."

There you have it folks. Caught on video. Let's see how it works.

Demonize Kavanaugh, check.
Smear somebody with falsehoods “and all the rest,” check.
Merchandize falsehoods-based smear, check.
Get press to report falsehoods-based smear, check.
Merchandize “validation” of press reports on falsehoods-based smear, check.

And posters here wonder why I say real journalism is dying, and the Democratic Party is totally corrupt.

Pelosi was talking about what she claimed was a tactic Republicans are using. The video was edited to remove the context and thus distort what she was saying. If you watch the C-SPAN video the excerpt was cut from you can see what she was actually saying in context and how it was distorted by the editor of the clip and then put out to smear her...an ironic case in point.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Pelosi was talking about what she claimed was a tactic Republicans are using. The video was edited to remove the context and thus distort what she was saying. If you watch the C-SPAN video the excerpt was cut from you can see what she was actually saying in context and how it was distorted by the editor of the clip and then put out to smear her...an ironic case in point.

The bottom line is smear, innuendo, and false witnesses are as old as the books of Moses. Or, as old as Potipher's wife. Claiming that the Republicans invented this or the Democrats invented this is indicative of someone who is clueless about history.