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Old 10-10-2018, 12:04 AM   #1
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Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Romans 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
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Old 10-10-2018, 12:37 AM   #2
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The losing of distinctions in the LCM has gone way beyond to outward conformities or simply as WL tape recorders.
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Old 10-10-2018, 04:00 AM   #3
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Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Romans 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
Evangelical, you need to "Get out of your mind, and turn to your spirit."
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Evangelical, you need to "Get out of your mind, and turn to your spirit."
I think that's the point - in the Spirit there is no distinctions.
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Old 10-11-2018, 02:23 AM   #5
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I think that's the point - in the Spirit there is no distinctions.
If there are no distinctions in the Spirit, then why did Paul, writing according to the Spirit, write of "gentile churches" in Romans 16:4? Why did he tell husbands to love their wives if there is no male or female? Why did he tell slaves to obey their masters if there is no slave or free?

And for that matter, the LSM contradict themselves by making distinctions. In the FTTA our trainer told us to avoid widows and orphans and spend our time recruiting Caucasian college students.
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If there are no distinctions in the Spirit, then why did Paul, writing according to the Spirit, write of "gentile churches" in Romans 16:4? Why did he tell husbands to love their wives if there is no male or female? Why did he tell slaves to obey their masters if there is no slave or free?
And for that matter, the LSM contradict themselves by making distinctions. In the FTTA our trainer told us to avoid widows and orphans and spend our time recruiting Caucasian college students.
It's a fine argument in the proper context - I used that one in discussion about the role of women in the church, if you recall, however, I don't think Lee had in mind to "blend away our gender" or blend away church authority or family structures.

The salvation of unsaved ones on campus surely rates higher priority than caring for the physical needs of widows and orphans of which there are plenty of charities willing and able to help. Even the apostle Paul prioritized preaching over baptism.
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It's a fine argument in the proper context - I used that one in discussion about the role of women in the church, if you recall, however, I don't think Lee had in mind to "blend away our gender" or blend away church authority or family structures.
Don't be so sure about that. You never saw his glowing glee looking out from the podium and only seeing a sea of white shirts and blue jackets.
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The salvation of unsaved ones on campus surely rates higher priority than caring for the physical needs of widows and orphans of which there are plenty of charities willing and able to help. Even the apostle Paul prioritized preaching over baptism.

Jesus spent his earthly ministry BOTH proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom AND taking care of the physical needs of those he met. In Matthew 10 He sends out his disciples telling them to proclaim the kingdom of the heavens as well as to heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, and cast out demons.

Matthew 4:23 - Jesus proclaimed in the synagogues AND healed every disease and sickness.

The Scripture is repeatedly clear that Jesus cares both for people's eternal needs as well as their immediate physical needs. If this is how Jesus spent the 1000+ days of His earthly ministry (before going to the cross), surely we should too.
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Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Romans 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
Oh for heaven's sake.....

Romans 10:12 is just saying that the Lord doesn't discriminate ..... whoever calls on Him, whether Jew or Greek, receives the same Lord. And it takes the same thing - calling on Him - for both of them for the Lord to bestow His riches upon them. It certainly doesn't mean all their distinctiveness has disappeared or has been/will be blended away. Don't add to a verse what isn't there!

E.g. If I own a restaurant and I say there is no distinction between red-shirt and green-shirt wearers who walk up, and that all will receive food if they say my name at the door, it certainly doesn't mean once they walk through the doors their red shirt and green shirted distinctions will disappear or be blended away......

Galatians 3:28 is clearly naming three very significant divisions/disparities/inequities in society - social class, slavery, and gender - and yet we are all one in Christ. "The same Lord" as mentioned in 1 Cor. 12:24! But obviously, EvanG, there are other distinctions among persons besides these three mentioned, and there still is in no way an implication that all these many other, varied, wide-ranging distinctions are to be "blended away".

Edit to say this: Yes, there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female. I am not dismissing or belittling that for it is so wonderful. But these distinctions mentioned in Galatians 3:28 are different from the ones mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12 and do not negate them.
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