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[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Huh? And I thought you were a redeemed human being.

Now I find out that you are nothing more than an intelligent primate who believes whatever they serve you in quantity all in the name of science. Not good.

News flash! Primates cannot believe. Only man, made in His image, can believe in God.

... Said a dirt bag full of wind. The idea of being created in the image of God would be helpful if we knew what God looks like. Since we don't, the implication seems to be that God looks like us. That in turn implies that the universe was created by something like a human primate. That is most probably an anthropocentric projection. Who says primates can't believe? That's just another unsupported declaration. You are a primate. Your DNA is greater than 99% identical to a chimpanzee. You believe don't you? Therefore a primate can believe. Your dogma requires you to deny biological facts. If your beliefs didn't endanger yourself and others I wouldn't have any problem with them. But they do so I do.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

... Said a dirt bag full of wind.

As the MOTA of AltVs I'd chastise you, but it's Biblical. We are dirt bags, full of God's breath.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

... Said a dirt bag full of wind. The idea of being created in the image of God would be helpful if we knew what God looks like. Since we don't, the implication seems to be that God looks like us. That in turn implies that the universe was created by something like a human primate. That is most probably an anthropocentric projection. Who says primates can't believe? That's just another unsupported declaration. You are a primate. Your DNA is greater than 99% identical to a chimpanzee. You believe don't you? Therefore a primate can believe. Your dogma requires you to deny biological facts. If your beliefs didn't endanger yourself and others I wouldn't have any problem with them. But they do so I do.

Show me one primate, besides yourself I guess, that has ever exhibited the tendency to "believe" in the unseen Creator.

You may judge man by dirt and DNA, but I don't and neither does the scripture. So much for your "science." You obviously have missed out on all the important things in life.

At conception God breathes into man a soul, and he becomes a living person, a unique individual made in His own image and likeness, which will live for eternity. Sorry if that is not good enough for you, and you prefer living in the dirt.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Show me one primate, besides yourself I guess, that has ever exhibited the tendency to "believe" in the unseen Creator.

You may judge man by dirt and DNA, but I don't and neither does the scripture. So much for your "science." You obviously have missed out on all the important things in life.

At conception God breathes into man a soul, and he becomes a living person, a unique individual made in His own image and likeness, which will live for eternity. Sorry if that is not good enough for you, and you prefer living in the dirt.

"The Hominidae, whose members are known as great apes or hominids, are a taxonomic family of primates that includes eight extant species in four genera: Pongo, the Bornean, Sumatran and Tapanuli orangutan; Gorilla, the eastern and western gorilla; Pan, the common chimpanzee and the bonobo; and Homo, which includes modern humans and its extinct relatives (e.g., the Neanderthal), and ancestors, such as Homo erectus." Groves, C.P. (2005). Wilson, D.E.; Reeder, D.M., eds. Mammal Species of the World: A Taxonomic and Geographic Reference (3rd ed.). Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press. pp. 181–184. ISBN 0-801-88221-4. OCLC 62265494

So, I show you yourself--a primate who believes in an unseen Creator.

I don't consider man dirt, Genesis 2:7 does. See post #4489.

The Hebrew terms נפש‬ nefesh means literally "living being". Zohar, Rayah Mehemna, Terumah 158b. See Leibowitz, Aryeh (2018). The Neshamah: A Study of the Human Soul. Feldheim Publishers. Pages 27 and 110. ISBN 1680253387. The Latin word for nefesh is anima so my paraphrase animated dirt was quite literally correct from the standpoint of Latin.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

"The Hominidae, whose members are known as great apes or hominids, are a taxonomic family of primates that includes eight extant species in four genera: Pongo, the Bornean, Sumatran and Tapanuli orangutan; Gorilla, the eastern and western gorilla; Pan, the common chimpanzee and the bonobo; and Homo, which includes modern humans and its extinct relatives (e.g., the Neanderthal), and ancestors, such as Homo erectus." Groves, C.P. (2005). Wilson, D.E.; Reeder, D.M., eds. Mammal Species of the World: A Taxonomic and Geographic Reference (3rd ed.). Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press. pp. 181–184. ISBN 0-801-88221-4. OCLC 62265494

So, I show you yourself--a primate who believes in an unseen Creator.

I don't consider man dirt, Genesis 2:7 does. See post #4489.

The Hebrew terms נפש‬ nefesh means literally "living being". Zohar, Rayah Mehemna, Terumah 158b. See Leibowitz, Aryeh (2018). The Neshamah: A Study of the Human Soul. Feldheim Publishers. Pages 27 and 110. ISBN 1680253387. The Latin word for nefesh is anima so my paraphrase animated dirt was quite literally correct from the standpoint of Latin.

"For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and I will bring to nothing the understanding of the experts.

Where are the wise? Where are the scholars? Where are the philosophers?

Has not God turned the wisdom of the world into nonsense?" -- I Cor 1.19-20

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

"For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and I will bring to nothing the understanding of the experts.

Where are the wise? Where are the scholars? Where are the philosophers?

Has not God turned the wisdom of the world into nonsense?" -- I Cor 1.19-20

Those are default verses you whip out whenever you're stymied. They could apply to you as well as anyone else.
You're a science denier like your current idol Trump.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Those are default verses you whip out whenever you're stymied. They could apply to you as well as anyone else.
You're a science denier like your current idol Trump.

And you whip out the "idol" charge every time you are stuck in the mud.

You and your scientific ilk view man as primates, little different than apes. You can believe anything you want, but your faith is not on anything solid. One day all your trust and faith in science will fail you because your faith is shipwrecked.

The Bible says "as a man thinks, so he is." You think you are just mud, and thus you live with your head in the dust, thinking that evolutionary science will do you more good than faith in His word. Good Luck!

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And you whip out the "idol" charge every time you are stuck in the mud.

You and your scientific ilk view man as primates, little different than apes. You can believe anything you want, but your faith is not on anything solid. One day all your trust and faith in science will fail you because your faith is shipwrecked.

The Bible says "as a man thinks, so he is." You think you are just mud, and thus you live with your head in the dust, thinking that evolutionary science will do you more good than faith in His word. Good Luck!

You've become confused. You're the one attached the dust/mud metaphor. I'm the primate guy. Remember? It's not a matter of faith though; just acceptance of overwhelming evidence.

Your buddy Jordan Peterson gets this. That's why he posits the relevance of the lobster dominance hierarchy to human social organization. How can you understand politics without comprehending our animal nature?

But, Genesis 2:7 is relevant too. It's a metaphoric expression of the paradox of human experience. The self is at once symbolic and embodied.

Your massive denial of this--your own psychological situation-- seems to be the basis for your holier-than-thou-attitude towards most of your species. No wonder you defend it so vociferously.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Those are default verses you whip out whenever you're stymied. They could apply to you as well as anyone else.
You're a science denier like your current idol Trump.

But you have not explained why we are so different from all other primates. All the other primates that you have put man with are not eusocial, they all have fur, and none of them have the genetic differences to their brain that we have.

You cannot attribute being eusocial to genetics since we do not appear to be hard wired for it but rather have to learn it. Hence the role of religion. This makes religion "the missing link" and yet no other species on earth has religion.

The default of scientists is to dismiss religion as superstition, they do this whenever they are stymied. You are a truth denier.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Show me one primate, besides yourself I guess, that has ever exhibited the tendency to "believe" in the unseen Creator.

That's easy bro Ohio, all believers in the unseen creator are human primates. Here's what the Smithsonian has to say about it (Warning : Scientific content) :

Why Are Humans Primates?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...ates-97419056/